My main objective attending the 2014 Freedom Summit in Phoenix, Arizona was to get a few minutes with John Buttrick. John is a federal magistrate in Phoenix and was speaking on Sat. Feb. 15, 2014; it’s an anarchist function. I was able to speak with John for about 23 minutes.
As I mention in the intro to the interview, John seems to believe the law may be applied without any regard to evidence. He believes written instruments called constitutions and laws apply because judges say so; actual proof is not necessary. He even admits several times the applicability of law, jurisdiction, is only an issue of law, not evidence. He seems to accept that laws are magical, that there doesn’t have to be evidence proving the laws apply. John insists there doesn’t have to be any proof the laws actually apply. The law applies because men and women say so. We’ve heard this claim before.
As I also bring out, the applicability of the law is not just about proving jurisdiction, it’s an element of any code violation. You can’t prove a code/law/statute/regulation was violated without first proving the laws apply in the first place. There is no violation without the code, so the applicability of the code is an element that has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. And you prove that beyond a reasonable doubt with facts/evidence, not unsupported argument. Evidence; it is jurisdiction’s Achilles heel.
He justifies the lack of evidence by stating the alternative is a collapse of the system. This was interesting as we were at an anarchist conference and you’d think abolishing government was a goal we all had in common.
My position is: if there’s no evidence the law applies, then they don’t apply. It’s not a difficult concept. I don’t accept the argument the “law” is magical; that people can write rules on paper, claim they apply to everyone and they just apply. The law does not apply because you are willing to kill me to get compliance. Compliance is to avoid being killed.
I could spend hours talking with Paul Rosenberg. Paul was on the show at the 2012 Libertopia and his talk was great, another home run. Hopefully it’s going to be posted at Freedom’s Phoenix soon. We talk about history and why it’s so important there be a separation between government and education. Though we both agree there should be no governments period.