Big Week For No State Project – Documentary Proof of Tickets and Assessments Kicked Out

Posted on October 18th, 2012 by Marc Stevens

As I mentioned on the show at Libertopia, it was a big week for the No State Project last week.  In addition to Paul in Toronto getting a traffic ticket kicked out, there were three others who stood up for themselves and prevailed.  So a big congrats to everyone.  [Update]  Here is the proof from the Toronto court:

I helped Jeff in Florida with a traffic ticket; he filed a motion to dismiss and sent copy to the cop who wrote the ticket.  The cop withdrew the complaint and the judge granted the dismissal.  Here is the court record:

Glenn in Texas had five criminal traffic charges kicked out on Friday, Oct. 12, 2012.  When I get details I will post them.

Anyone with experience with the California Franchise Tax Board knows how terrible they are to deal with.  I’ve had them admit “there doesn’t need to be evidence.”  They just don’t seem to care at all.  However, I’ve been working with Patty and her husband to get some tax assessments dropped and all we did was ask for the facts and witnesses proving the code was applicable and she was a taxpayer.  it took a while, but we got written confirmation it was dropped:

In the last part of the video below I discuss the circular nonsense we’re getting more and more from these psychopaths who seem to not be able to recognize that when you rely on violence, you don’t need facts.  You either deal with people non-violently and have facts proving they are obligated, or you use coercion and don’t worry about things as trivial as facts.  But, governments and their apologists continue insisting there are facts to prove their code somehow applies to anyone.  Call the show (218) 632-9399 if you think you are better prepared than all the IRS agents, prosecutors and judges I have others have dealt with.  Show us what US attorney Lori Hendrickson could not do with twenty-eight witnesses.

Those calling themselves “government” use violence, not reason, not facts, but violence.  You pay or you go to jail.  That’s the psychopathic way of interacting with others.  I don’t expect we’ll be getting any calls to the show with any actual facts the code is applicable.

Congrats to Paul, Jeff, Glenn and Patty.  It takes guts to stand up to these psychopaths.



113 Comments For This Post

  1. Andy Says:

    This is a public service message to inform that government has changed its name to: Psychopaths-Я-us

  2. Lyndon Says:

    Very good of you Marc to be posting videos like these as proof of your work. And a fair and open invitation to the dissenters. That letter from the California Franchise Tax Board is rare. Tax claimants rarely acknowledge a retreat or abandonment on paper.

  3. indio007 Says:

    What did you expect the AG to do ? Give up?
    Of course she is going to try and BS her way through.
    The judge might even support such garbage with full knowledge he will be overturned.

    They basically gamble that people will give up at some point on their appeals.

    Like Shaun Connery said in the Untouchables.

    What are you prepared to do? How far are you willing to go?

    Circular reasoning is all they got.

  4. Incubus Says:


    This Saturday is your chance to prove us all wrong. You could even email Marc ahead of time so he can designate a segment all to you and your overwhelming proof!

  5. Cleo Says:

    Does anybody know whats up with the advertising message block that says “Is Your Money Safe,” Hurry read this now. Seams like this Soverien Man is a scam. I signed up for $47 dollars Survival kit and none of the audio or video links open. Anybody know anything on this?

  6. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ cleo, please email me about this.

  7. Dionysus Says:

    Oh, sweet domination!!!

  8. Karl Lentz Says:

    no i was on a TALKSHOE Call
    driving them NUTS, but it is 4:30 est Saturday oct. 20th, [B-day] so i here i just going to wait for Marc to do his show so i can play devil advocate

  9. Karl Lentz Says:

    if marc can read this POSTING.
    Wow, great please Marc go into something like 10th amendment so i can JUmp in

  10. Karl Lentz Says:

    “Protectors Of Liberty’s Show”
    a “Community Call”

    U can download or just play this Talk Shows Oct 20th 2012 show, and HEAR, My voice..

    and how i tore into their “guest” speaker, where the shows Host kept muting me, when i had her GUESt on the ROPES

  11. Karl Lentz Says:

    is there a WAY, i can text MARC whilst he is on LIVE?

  12. Karl Lentz Says:

    marc i am in the Q
    its 520 est
    is there a way i can be on a party line
    my number is the 540-245 -0*** number

  13. Karl Lentz Says:

    so i can try to help Mr. Mike

  14. Karl Lentz Says:

    Geez, Marc’s Advice to Mike ,is making my head spin

  15. Karl Lentz Says:

    Marc, lol or someone get ahold of Marc and tell him to confrence call me, or if mike wants to call me direct, and HAVE Marc be a party to my call with MIke i will do that tooo

  16. Karl Lentz Says:

    but aslong as Me , mike , and marc can conference on or OFF AIR, no ONE can MUTE me

  17. Karl Lentz Says:

    or i will talk to MIke privately, BUT my advice is 100% oppisite of Marc’
    my Mother was an IRS agent for 20+ years, as an AUDITOR, she uilt he cases …probable ca[u]ses for the IRS attorneys

  18. Karl Lentz Says:

    if Youse folks dont think i was in the Q for along time, i can tell youse what marc, and mike said to each other during the BREAKS

  19. Karl Lentz Says:

    U never MOTION, !! as a Defendant ,,,uuuurgh,,,, thats a death wish !

  20. Karl Lentz Says:

    U present the court a notice

  21. Karl Lentz Says:

    u can motion if u are the prosecutor,

  22. Karl Lentz Says:

    lol, its going into the last hour of the show does ANYone know a way to get ahold of MARC during the Show, “skype, or text him, tell him to let me jump in with MIKe

  23. Incubus Says:

    “is there a WAY, i can text MARC whilst he is on LIVE?”

    I do believe you can Skype him. frankrizzo3

    Have you tried emailing him?

  24. Karl Lentz Says:

    i dont want to just argue law with marc, i want to show Mike ANOTHER way of looking at what marc is trying

  25. Karl Lentz Says:

    i will email him RIGHT NOW

  26. Karl Lentz Says:

    MARC, if U wanna podcast me with mike that GREAT
    BECAUSE Only MIKE probably will be able to answer certain QUESTIONS
    because he was there at ALL times

  27. Karl Lentz Says:

    MARC, if U wanna podcast me with mike that Would be GREAT
    BECAUSE Only MIKE probably will be able to answer certain QUESTIONS
    because he was there at ALL times

  28. Karl Lentz Says:

    tel marc i am in the Q as my area code is 540 – 245 – 0***

  29. Karl Lentz Says:

    well i will call back after lady from Michigan gets off, he said she is on after bottom of 3rd hour

  30. Karl Lentz Says:

    whats the number for the PODCAST?
    i was on hold for hours, hen during breaks he said we will carry the show over to a podcast, whatever that is,
    next thing i know at 7:01 my call gets dropped and “flute , pipe music is NOW playing

  31. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ karl, I couldn’t keep going after the show, I emailed you about it. We can record for the podcast or schedule you as the first call next week.

  32. Karl Lentz Says:

    how about U just get me U and mike on a 3 way call

  33. Karl Lentz Says:

    or just tell Mike to call Me, while i am motivated to help him, i will email u my phone number right now

  34. Karl Lentz Says:

    i do need to be a celeb, on the radio,
    just we can do a private 3 way, or if U tooo busy just let me and Mike talk, and he can tell U my “beliefs” and U can test for him if they are Kosher

  35. Andy Says:

    A recorded 3-way call would be great. That way it could be uploaded for other people to learn from. It’s worth noting that Marc and Mike have an empirical, trusted relationship. They’ve talked on air for all to hear that care to listen.

    @Karl, If you think you have good or better information to help Mike than he has gotten from Marc please share it with others on The No State Project radio show. It’s not about being celebrity.

  36. Karl Lentz Says:

    no Mr. Andy

    knowledge has a Heavy responsibilty, i cannot just let EVERYone know, ,,,

    hummm i dont want to seem as an asshole, but if U think i am it is okay, because my way, is the law of the land
    (1) is toooo simple, and;
    (2) men of bad-faith, can use it against a man of good-faith,

    and i am not here to hurt one-single good man,

    [bad-faith ; good-faith, merchant law/bible/UCC all the same…, TOA in commerce, …oh, TOA = term of art]

    okay GOOOD example an 85 yearold lady on another Radio talk shoe , just emailed me about IRS taking her retirement check and liening her up

    so when SHE calls me in a few minutes, i will show her how to get the IRS off her back forever…

    but Seee i will make her promise me she wont tell anyone what i told her, and at 85 , i will believe here word be true…

    lol, still dont believe well, here…

    to: Loki Joker

    date: Sat, Oct 20, 2012 at 7:46 PM
    Ruth **** wrote:
    Loki, thanks for the answer. Do not have your phone number, please send. Was it on board? Don’t think so. Thanks much, they are sending cc mail now & liens

  37. Incubus Says:

    Well that’s unfortunate you were not able to make it on to the show today, Karl.

    Hopefully you and Marc can get things scheduled so that you’ll be the first one up for next Saturdays broadcast.

    Or even better, you could do like Marc suggested and do a pre-recorded segement sometime this following week and he can air it on the podcast. That might actually be a better route to take, since often times there are tech issues with the live show. Plus you’ve got all the breaks and time constraints. Bit of a hassle. In this manner you’ll both a have a little more of a relaxed and accesible venue to talk about things.

    Whatever the pursuit, I’m certainly looking forward to it.

  38. Karl Lentz Says:

    But what marc does is GOOD, he keeps U men moving in the right direction,,,
    BUT, u folks have to SLOWWWWWW down on the HATE towards these men on the bench ,
    for they love dealing with a man, who knows what and who he is as man;

    these Robed ones hate AND love, a man like me, becuase they know i know, and we always become friends after court, and they either THREATEN me or make me PROMISE, Ater court that i wont let out what i know to JUSST anyone of what i know..

    if U think my grammar is not correct, that is fine tooo, by my odd or cadence of words , such as ….

    suffer; ( this word is an easy one i will toss U, “suffer” means to consent to what they did with by Your failure to fight back, answer…. so when a judge says….
    “so mr. ____ are U telling this court u have suffered by the acts of the opposing party,
    U say , “yes” ,

    he will say … Your case then has no merit, case dismissed!

    and U will THINK the judge is an A**hole,

    when it was U,U, U who told him that U have consented to what the other party did to U becuase U had the oppitunity, but U CHOOSE not to fight back

    in legalese they are NOT what they appear to mean in plain langauge….

    i am going to LET this DEFINITION of SUFFER SINK in so YOUSE can ALL call ME CRAZY !!!

    then in the ONLY way Men of NO Faith , believe…
    I will POST the CITATION

    then U can Put Your finger in [jesus’ palm] and say WOW now i believe….

    THEN U will know WHY i Cant just tell any ol’ Body…..okay?

  39. Karl Lentz Says:

    i got about 70-80 hungry critters
    here on the farm that need tending to,
    so thats going to be all for me tonight,
    hopefully i will be back sometime before next Sunday
    vio con dios

  40. Andy Says:

    As Marc has said before: “If I say I can play guitar better than Jeff Beck (or whoever) you don’t argue about it — you just hand me a guitar and say ‘prove it’.” That’s paraphrased.

  41. Andy Says:

    @Karl, in commenting regards calling into The No State Project, you boasted that you can deceive people so well as to make Hitler appear a saint. Now, you boast about being friends with black-robed psychopaths.

    Hate has nothing to do with the accuracy of the identifications. To go into court emotionally charged with hate would work against defending oneself against their attacks by using their own premise of fairness and legitimacy against them.

  42. Karl Lentz Says:


    “i think WE would have ALOT of fun ,
    me playing devils advocate
    lol, i an the type that can make Hitler, look like a saint”

    SO Mr. Andy is this just “Lets S**k the Host’s A**” Website, OR, or, or WE wont be YOUR friends?

    Do U have a “FEAR’ when someone has an alternate Point of VIEW, than U?

    do U realize i have a MASSIVE amount of Fear of the folks in black Robes LEAVING and,walking off their jobs And leaving this country in the HANDs of a Man like U , were ONLY YOUR Opinion is “Good” ,

    MEN like U will Round Up people like me,
    and UNLIKE the State which would AT LEAST be send me to a re-education FEMA camp,

    “MEN” like U will just SHOOT a man, like me, if i dont SAY exactly what U WANT to what Makes U “Feeeeel goood…

  43. Karl Lentz Says:

    i didnt say deceive, i said i can explian why 100 of millions of people throughout looked at Hitler in the 1930s as a saint…

    i said i can explain since my family is LENTZ (“spring” as in water, in german)

    i KNOW why the people loved that man

    NOW if U do not know WHY WWII “happened” i couldnt care less..

    BUt for a laugh did U know in the 1920-early 30’s german jews (they spoke german)and french would kick in german citizens doors and take 10% to 20% of whatever they found laying around the house (u know pots, pans, tools, clothes, boots…) to REPAY, FRANCE, for them WINNING the war, and OF COurse the Jews got the “cut” for helping the FRENCH?

    let me put it this way…

    NOW if “USA’ lost a FINANCIAL WAR WITH China, and the U.S. jews were Helping the Chinese collect on a FINANCIAL WAR DEBT,

    as SOOOOn as a USA ‘Hitler” TYPE, say a RON PAUL type, Stepped-up and SAID, HEY no more kicking in our Doors to PAY for a WAR that our Fathers lost 10-20 years ago,
    we here in the USA would love this man toooo, and since the jews HELPED our ENEMIES, TO GET A “CUT” of the booty, and help our ENEMIES, Kick in in OUR doors, they tooo were deemed ENEMIES within, and U would be the First one Screaming ‘Kill them all, for what they did”

    …ok, now U know ALL u Will EVER need to know ABOUT WWII

  44. Karl Lentz Says:

    Andy Says:
    As Marc has said before: “If I say I can play guitar better than Jeff Beck (or whoever) you don’t argue about it — you just hand me a guitar and say ‘prove it’.” That’s paraphrased.

    lol PROVE it to U… who the hell is ANYbody to ORDER another man about w/o just compensation? and to WHAT, who needs, to PROVE ANYTHING to U?

    So U are saying U are the type that believes that all of mankind are liars, UNTIL they PROVE to U they are not, U are extremely PARANOID

    and for U to THINK u have the RIGHT to argue with a man’s belief he is better then a BECK, who the hell are U to Shit on someones dreams, beliefs and Parade?

    i have a DOWNS boy so i know, i just BELIEVE him when he says “look dad i am a rock star”, i just say “yes, son” and go on wih my day…

    U just accept others beliefs, if they work for U fine , if NOT u just go on with Your OWn beliefs

    Please DO NOT RESPOND back to me Mr.ANDY, U have PROVED to me what your true nature is made of

    Wow are all these Posters on here, this narrow minded?

  45. Kel Says:

    I have documented evidence that every claim and assertion Karl has made is false.

    His real name isn’t even Karl. He doesn’t have a wife or kids eother.

  46. Karl Lentz Says:

    lol, we;; its not termed “evidence” the correct term is “fact” as in…

    I have documented facts that every claim and assertion Karl has made is false.

    His real name isn’t even Karl. He doesn’t have a wife or kids eother.

  47. Karl Lentz Says:



    K. P. L. et al v. Alabama State Board of Human Resources et al


    Alabama Middle District Court (almd)
    Docket Number: 2:06-cv-00942
    Pacer Case Number: 34252
    Date filed: 2006-10-17
    Date terminated: 2007-01-09
    Date last filing: 2007-01-16

  48. Karl Lentz Says:

    K. P. L. The court shoulda spelt it

    R = Rudoplh

  49. Karl Lentz Says:

    so now no one is every to believe KEL, correct?

  50. Karl Lentz Says:

    now u have the PACER # KEL , read how the State took my neWborn at birth with a fake contract they witheld from us for 8 years…go ahead and SAY I LIED TO A FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT, about my name. wife, and DOWNS BABY BOY


  51. Karl Lentz Says:

    BY THE WAY what the hell kinda name is KEL?
    U ASHAMED of who u are everyone here knows my name is karl Rudolph Lentz, does ANYONE, even marc post their FULL names , but me? No, so KEL u dont believe i exist, well

  52. Karl Lentz Says:

    SEE KEL, u had FACTS until someone can show Your facts were false facts, BUT u still have the RIGHT to believe, YOUR FACTS
    but before the world , a Jury, everyone else thinks U are a moron,

    BUT hey, U are RIGHT for KEL !, now just try to get anyone else EVER AGAIN ON THIS WEBSITE TO BELIEVE YOU…

  53. Kel Says:

    Karl, that isn’t you. You’ve never even been to Alabama.

    Your initials are not KRL, or KPL as the court so suspiciously “misspelled”. Your initials aren’t even remotely close to either of those.

    You don’t have a wife or a “downs baby boy”, and I have the FACTS (is that better?) to PROVE it.

  54. Marc Stevens Says:

    As great as these comments are, can you guys take this to the forum? Comments here should be about the article/video.

  55. Kel Says:

    I apologize Marc.

    Karl has been trolling your site relentlessly. I thought maybe if I gave him a taste of his own medicine he’d back off or go away or something, but it seems to have had the opposite effect.

    He’s turned into super troll.

    NonE you were right. Don’t feed them.

    Sometimes its just hard to resist. 🙁

  56. Karl Lentz Says:

    Wow so KEL, U are not a Liar or a bu** are U? SHOWS US KEL’S EVIDENCE

  57. Karl Lentz Says:

    DID I LIE to 2 US District courts 5 years ago, just so i could TROLL ON MARCSTEVENS.NET WEBSITE in 2012?

  58. Karl Lentz Says:

    click on this link EVERYONE WHO SWEARS I AM A LIAR

    Kel Says:
    October 20th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
    Karl, that isn’t you. You’ve never even been to Alabama.

    Your initials are not KRL, or KPL as the court so suspiciously “misspelled”. Your initials aren’t even remotely close to either of those.

    You don’t have a wife or a “downs baby boy”, and I have the FACTS (is that better?) to PROVE it.

  59. Karl Lentz Says:

    lol, i can’t get on a forum wihout the administrator of the forums permission

  60. Karl Lentz Says:

    DID I LIE to 2 US District courts 5 years ago, just so i could TROLL ON MARCSTEVENS.NET WEBSITE in 2012?

    hey KEL, what is about the WORST That happened to U in COURT? aparking ticket?
    a speeding ticket,

    Well did i TROLL 2 US District COURTS?

    Did U have a newborn snatched from a hospital from U or your wife and hid from his family for years, by way of the state claiming i and his mother signed him away/ and when the state DID PRODUCE a contract it did not have my name, the mothers name of the newborn babys name on it nor any of our signaures,

    see the State snatched him from the hospital for BIG federal bucks, and THOUGHT i was the KInd of man, that would be GLAD TO NEVER SEE a Downs baby again, because i “look” like a Hell’s angel Biker…

    so listen
    numb nuts,

    i called MARC a year ago ASKING FOR HELP

    ok, so maybe marc couldnt hepl me,

    BUT i kinda started to like his show, but once i found the true law, since i spent over a year in a law library and wrote my own law dictionary

    i relized MARC, was like i was a year ago, bitter, angry, and VERY confused, so NOW MAYBE IT IS my turn to help if NOT Marc then maybe someone else

  61. Kel Says:

    Yes Karl. Whatever you say.

    In fact everything you say and have said is absolute gospel truth. You are a genius. A savant really. You have been nothing but transparent, forthright and incredibly patient. My pea sized brain couldn’t even wrap around the indisputable proof you claim to have, even if you were so kind as to bestow it upon an unworhty piss ant like myself. I am such an idiot. I have trouble putting my pants on most days! Everybody who frequents this site is a bumbling baffoon. You humble yet frighten us when you grace us with your presence and knowledge.

    You are beyond words. If there is a God his name is Karl Rudolph Lentz. And I have been fortunate enough to be touched by His wisdom. Praise be to Karl, the truthbearer. The light bringer. The Alpha AND the Omega, the Beginning and the End. The one who Is, who Always Was, and is still To Come. Amen.

    But out of respect to Marc and his request that comments be limited to the article/video, I must end our dialogue here and now. I will never forget you Karl. Thank you for everything.


    Your Greatest Admirer- Kel

  62. Karl Lentz Says:

    SO if anyone has the RIGHT TO HATE A STATE IT IS ME !

    so again all Youse who think U have “legal problems, becasue the MAN, the State su*ks?

    Did U have a newborn snatched from a hospital from U or your wife and hid from his family for years (2001), by way of the state claiming i and his mother signed him away/ and when the state DID PRODUCE a contract(2009) it did not have my name, the mothers name of the newborn babys name on it nor any of our signaures,

    see the State snatched him from the hospital for BIG federal bucks, and THOUGHT i was the KInd of man, that would be GLAD TO NEVER SEE a Downs baby again, because i “look” like a Hell’s angel Biker…

    SO if anyone has the RIGHT TO HATE A STATE IT IS ME !

    BUT it is NOT the State that did it to ME

    it took my YEARS to figure out what a state TRULEY is

    so sorry if some police man pissed U off one day, for a half-hour, i have been BATTLING A STATE since 8-13-2001…

    and my final lawsuit will be done this week,
    i LOOK back at the first 2 lawsuits and laugh my ass off, i realize NOW, the problem i was having was trying to BE AN ATTORNEY !

    kinda what marc is doing

    when all i had to do was be a man!

    See a Very WISE DOJ man, Lt. Col. Sandy Callohan, (a man) told me to just be a man, when i get to court, because the FEDs could Not and Would not help me, nor my family,

    i THOUGHT back in 2002 he was INSULTING ME in front of my WHOLe FAMILY
    BUT HE, would NOT tell me the SECRET, of being a man
    TODAY i bless God he didnt

    becuase in 2002, honestly i did not KNOW what it meant to be a man, i rode a harely, bounced at bars, and had no clue what a man “was”, see folks its a journey, not a two sentence answer, u are hoping i can just tell youse but when it happens for u, u will know, true peace

  63. Karl Lentz Says:

    Kel Says:
    October 20th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
    Yes Karl. Whatever you say…You are beyond words. If there is a God his name is Karl Rudolph Lentz.

    Mr, Kel? do not forget g0d’s name is ALSO…. marc, N0ne, sloane. Mike, Andy, TJ. Bob, Suzy, AMY, Bill , peter, Mohammed, Jose; Leroy; Abe….

    when U understand what i just said u are getting closer to being a man

  64. Lyndon Says:

    Karl: I followed that link of the Talkshoe show you participated in. To be fair to you I thought you made some good points. I especially liked your comments about the distinction between MAN and LAND. You have an excellent grasp of what a Common Law Court is and how one operates it. I think I comprehend you better now. However, I would also say that you did a far better job communicating on Angela’s show than you have here the past few weeks. Most of your postings have come accross as someone spelling jibberish. Your playing with the keyboard and delineation has not helped your expression. Had you taken the time to better explain yourself here you would not be perceived as a super troll. If you would explain yourself as you did on Angela’s show I think you would receive reasonable responses.

    Marc is very generous and patient in not restricting your postings. Do lets try to get onto the forum (I likewise)to discuss these matters and respect Marc’s wishes.

  65. Tom D. Says:

    Karl says

    “I have a downs boy”.

    As they say. Like father like son.

    I guess this is what happens when retards breed.

    It actually explains A LOT!

  66. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ Tom, as I mentioned, I have a child with Down’s Syndrome. This is not what the comments are about. This is quatloos stuff. Let’s not have personal attacks please.

  67. Karl Lentz Says:

    THANKS LYNDON, i am a BIG biker looking dude,
    i “hunt and Peck” on the keyboard,
    yes i do not care about misspelling i am not here to be a typist,
    i hate talikng on TALKSHOE calls, ANgela usally asks my questions to her guest for me
    but today i just had enough of my typing errors and jumped online
    ESPECIALLY when some Know it all Guest , started jumping on an 85 year-old LADy

    i put TALKSHOE link on here so marc and Youse Know my voice and realize…Damn Karl knows his sH*t

    but wow, imagine everyone else hear listens to my TALKSHOE, and think of me as good as U do… night folkss its 5 AM here…

  68. Karl Lentz Says:

    so lyndon u now SEE when i say “man” soooooo much?

  69. Karl Lentz Says:

    oooh to get onto the forum (I likewise)to discuss these matters and respect Marc’s wishes.
    marc needs to grant me permiission to post on a forum

    i did a forum member request weeks ago, and never got a comfirmation email, maybe i am doing something wrong trying to get in forum…

    ooh lol, do u type one finger at a time?, if u dont, TRY IT ! then u can understandd why i speak WAY BETTER then i type

  70. Andy Says:

    Karl Lentz Says:
    October 20th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
    “i got about 70-80 hungry critters
    here on the farm that need tending to,
    so thats going to be all for me tonight,”

    You’ve posted twenty comments since then Karl. Not to mention ten of your comments were made after Marc asked that it be taken to the forum.

    Prior to your last twenty comments are my three comments which for the most part I tried to keep them relevant to the topic of the article Marc posted.
    October 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
    October 20th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    October 20th, 2012 at 7:14 pm

    @Marc, I apologize for going of topic as much (or little) as I did.

  71. Andy Says:

    Sun Tsu’s “Art of War” Applied to Litigation.
    (Alternatively titled: How to Kill Two (or more) Birds With One Stone.

    Marc calls it “Zen and the art of litigation.” Never disagree with them. Ask questions that keeps the burden of proof on them — your adversaries.

    I’ll add what I just now identified is also an “art-of-war” strategy. Akin to Sun Tzu’s writing in his book of the same, The Art of War.

    Courts are adversarial. Their strength, the men and women calling themselves government, the court actors’ strength is their public relations that they are fair and legitimate, equality of justice, the blindfold Lady Liberty holding the scales of justice in her hand. Marc’s methods use their strength against them.

    Using their own public-relations premise of fairness and legitimacy against them exposes their psychopathic, true colors. It pulls back the curtain.

    For example, asking about conflict of interest and who does the judge represent. That addresses the court’s presumption of fairness and legitimacy – their strength.

    Another example is asking that judicial notice be taken that that the court is adversarial. A simple, easy straight forward fact that their courts are adversarial, that has no HONEST reason to be refused. As Marc said on yesterday’s NSP show, refusing to take judicial notice is obstruction of justice – usually a felony.

    [Side note: I’m inclined to identify their courts are inquisitorial. Note the act of being arrested begins with the Miranda warning: “ANYTHING you say can and WILL be used against you in a court of law.” Even if what you say can prove your innocence they will use it against you. If not inquisitorial, then how about deemed guilty until proven innocent?]

    Another example is guiding/leading the prosecutor&judge, who in fact are on the same team/plaintiff – your adversaries — to impeach their witness. If when the judge refuses to strike the unqualified/incompetent witness’ testimony, call a person at random from the gallery to be a witness on your behalf. It doesn’t matter that your potential witness is unqualified to testify; Fair is fair, right? Step back and watch your adversaries’ “heads explode”.

    Second to the primary objective of damage control, is to have the people sitting in the gallery to so profoundly “Get It,” as to be thinking and saying: “Fair and equal justice?!? Isn’t that a hoot!”

    Government’s greatest strength and especially the courts’ strength is in the minds of the gallery. That people of the gallery don’t identify the many contradictions to the notion that courts are legitimate, fair and balanced justice; for the gallery to have an epiphany that “fair and impartial” couldn’t be further from the truth.

    That in reality, all humans are created equal and psychopaths in government are by far the most destructive. We (those yet “awakened”) are the problem. Government actors are the symptom. We (those that are ‘awake”) are the solution.
    None of this operates behind closed doors in secret; becoming friends with your adversaries and agreeing not to publicly let the cat out of the bag – so to speak.

    Rather, it is for you (government actors) to stop your anti-social behavior and we will extend an olive branch into our voluntary society. If the free market calls for it, your FEMA re-education camps may be of great service toward that end and your well being.

    Summation: Empathy, for the most part evades psychopaths. As opposed to behind-closed-doors secrets that tend to protect psychopaths, the public exposure strategy is not for the court psychopaths to feel emotional ridicule or disgrace, which they are unaffected by.

    Rather, they are affected by people not complying with their map of the world. As more and more “normal” people learn to discredit and stop complying with the psychopaths’ violent map of the world they will have to change their methods, strategies and tactics. This is where the FEMA re-alignment schools may be of service. Or, if they prefer, perhaps a Devil’s Island similar to the one depicted in the movie “Papillon”.

  72. Tom D. Says:

    So karl you have a boy with downs syndrome huh?

    That actually explains A LOT!

    Like father…like son!

  73. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ Tom, I have a daughter with Down’s Syndrome.

  74. Tom D. Says:

    Sorry marc. I didn’t mean to offend you.

    My comments were directed at karl.

    I’m still new to this site so I’ve been reading through these comments since last night and this guy has used foul language and numerous personal attacks against others.

    He has acted like a jerk and an immature child.

    Why don’t you say anything to karl about how he is speaking towards others? I don’t get it. Why the hypocrisy?

  75. Tom D. Says:

    Btw can someone fill me in on what a quatloos is?

    Never heard the term.

  76. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ Tom, I’ve spoken out many times about the personal attacks, sorry I may not have addressed every single instance. I prefer to not spend much time doing that, I don’t see it as hypocrisy because I don’t address every single comment.

    Quatloos is a website with a forum that has lawyers and government apologists; they have made many personal attacks against me. I’ve invited them on the show to present facts, they only make excuses and more personal attacks. They have no facts and they know it. They are good at ranting and calling names, but when is comes to providing evidence, they run away.

    Their refusal to call the show and publicly address the facts is evidence of what they are.

  77. Tom D. Says:

    Well like I said I’m new to this site and I only just recently discovered your show and have listened here and there since late august.

    I’m looking through this article and the one about the hung jury tax case and I don’t see one single instance where you have addressed this guy on the personal attacks and swearing.

    I made a comment about him being DD (and PROBABLY he is, it is hereditary ya know) and right away you address it.

    I know hit it close to home but that screams BIAS to me.

    I like what I have heard of your show and see you seem like a nice guy but if its going to be a cherry pick kind of thing then maybe I should devote my time and take my business somewhere else.

    Thanks for clarifying what you meant by quatloos btw. I’ll have to look into them more.

  78. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ Tom, I deal with psychopaths everyday to help people resolve problems, I’m also working on a book, do a 3 hour radio show in addition to raising my family, I don’t have the time to moderate the forum and comments more frequently. I was being nice when I mentioned bringing the Karl thread to the forum and keeping it off the comments here where people new to the site would see them. What you call bias and cherry picking I call priorities.

    While some of the comments from Karl and others were not appropriate, your comments were childish, but I didn’t delete them, I just asked for them to stop. Like the religious stuff, I only say I prefer to not have it.

    If you want to think I’m biased, I don’t care; you hardly know me at all. But if you care to stick around, I’m sure you’ll change your mind. The material is not put out and I don’t do this to be popular thinking every one will like me. I’ve had some real nasty things said about me from people who don’t know me, such as the quatloos guys.

    If you need to judge anything here, then please leave me out of it and look at the material I present. It stands on its own.

  79. Incubus Says:

    With all due respect Marc, the guy does make a valid point. Although what he said was low brow and I don’t condone it. Karl (especially) and others have been flingin’ some pretty rotten poo around here and the most you’ve said is that you prefer it be taken to the forum. It wasn’t the content itself you addressed, but rather the location it was taking place.

    Tom, don’t take this as me defending what you said. But I have to call ’em like I see ’em and in this case I think you’re right. A spade is a spade.

    Hopefully you can put it behind you and not dwell on it. This site has a wealth of information and Marc is as nice of a guy as you can imagine. Stick around and get to know him and what he teaches. You won’t be dissapointed.

  80. NonE Says:

    To all: I’ve known Marc for years. He’s a man of integrity. I don’t agree with all of his positions on all matters. So what? I don’t know a better way of dealing with the Karl situation than to ignore him. Part of Marc’s integrity is that he doesn’t censor the posts or the forum, except in a few rare and extreme situations. This should be a mark in his favor, in my opinion. He provides all of this material and advice for free. He’s a busy man. Anyone with differing opinions is always invited to call the show, which is unscreened, and discuss them in person. What more could you ask for?

    Those are my thoughts on the subject.

    – NonE

  81. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ incubus, I know they were inappropriate comments, I already said that. I just don’t moderate the comments as it looks like people here want, I don’t have the time. I was probably on a call when I did that and should have been more clear and call the comments.

    So for the record again, I don’t want to see personal attacks from anyone in the comments and forum. They are inappropriate.

  82. free Says:

    Marc if you believe in volunteerism why are charging $75 per person to attend seminar in NY and $25 fee for legal templates? You are deceiving followers into believing you do everything for free like NoNe.

  83. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ free, voluntaryism doesn’t pay expenses. You think I can afford to fly to Buffalo to do free seminars? The nominal donation for the templates has more to do with the actual support from me when psychopaths are attacking. But you assume you know all the facts and my motives.

    You’re free to call the show if you’d like, I’ll schedule a time for you to have a couple of segments.

  84. free Says:

    karl lentz is telling the truth check this out–06-cv-00942/K_P_L_et_al_v_Alabama_State_Board_of_Human_Resources_et_al/

    you need to all apologize to him i will be contacting free group in ny to get your seminar shut down i am going to direct it your website and your dealings with clients.

    i wouldn’t give marc stevens a penny I don’t care who he thinks he is

  85. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ free, you think this is a fair comment towards me?

  86. Lyndon Says:

    free: I don’t care how much a man charges to share his knowledge. Men and women are “free” to contract with whom they wish and for what consideration they agree upon.

    And why would you think your “free group in ny” has any authority to meddle in the affairs of a private man performing a private service??

  87. Incubus Says:

    …i will be contacting free group in ny to get your seminar shut down…”

    So now you’re threatening a man who offers a service on a voluntary basis?

    The internet is ripe with statists. You’ve just ousted yourself.

  88. Karl Lentz Says:

    hi marc, i think FREE, is starting to “GET it” as in get what i am TRYING to say…
    i think FREE understands if U use THEIR words, try to ACT, U will only get hurt;

    Should he tell anyone not to let U speak? NO

    lol, becaue (FREE) if there is someone LIKE me, in the audience, marc is going to have a loooong day ; )

    So SEE FREE, if there is Someone at the NY Show, maybe HE can show marc, a different opinion, and marc and EVERYONE in marc’s audience will beneift

    lol, FREE maybe some one like “me” is Already to Spin “the No State” concept on its head … lol U never know, it is all in g0d’s hands

    So , no, LEt marc, Speak Freely, and with passion…

    marc U are correct in helping people try to stand up , when they believe they have caused no injury, harm or loss to man, or breach of contract

    BUT, hummmmmmm when U walk into THEIR world, U are at their MERCY,
    So why Dont U just Show the people how to STAY, out of their world?

    but, lol, hey it is YOUR show,

  89. MickeyG Says:

    Marc, love you stuff here. I have a question about government prosecutions. The rules of civil procedure and the rules of judicial conduct say “if a judge is an officer of a party, he must recuse and disqualify himself”. Isn’t the judge always an officer (a judicial officer) of a party when the state is a party? Please answer this one :).

  90. bruce sloane Says:

    My policy is to not to fan the flames of troll-dom…

    but Mr. Free
    “shut the Seminar down ” …???
    simply because You, and your “friend” do no agree on the positions ..?

    ” should be a free seminar ” .. ??
    let me say, $75, is waaaay to little — $300, or so would actually make it worthwhile to Marc

    A suggestion for you ..
    find someplace else to play, and quit wasting bandwidth

  91. indio007 Says:

    Karl and Free are obviously trawling for customers. You 2 should give a rest. I’ve seen this crap some many times on sooooo many internet forums , newsgroups, email list etc…. it’s sickening.

    BTW what is the link to a docket suppose to prove?

    The case got was transferred to US district court .

    It was then dismissed sua sponte.
    “Based on the foregoing, this Court concludes that Plaintiff’s request for leave to
    proceed in forma pauperis is due to be granted, however, it is the RECOMMENDATION
    of the Magistrate Judge that this case be DISMISSED sua sponte without prejudice ”

    You really know what your doing Karl…

    “the plaintiff’s claims against this defendant are “based on an indisputably meritless legal theory””


    If these clowns violated to Constitution they are acting outside their office and you must sue them in a private capacity not as the STATE you money grubber.

  92. Lyndon Says:

    indio007: I didn’t bother fact checking -because I just suspected as much- but that dismissal you posted is so funny! The “state” is “forma pauperis” Ha!!! Very funny result and funny post you made there!

  93. Packabowlla Says:

    I’am dummmmer for have read the post, except for Marc’s & Andy’s

  94. bruce sloane Says:

    Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist

    1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

    2) Selectivity. They tend to pick and choose opponents carefully, either applying the hit-and-run approach against mere commentators supportive of opponents, or focusing heavier attacks on key opponents who are known to directly address issues. Should a commentator become argumentative with any success, the focus will shift to include the commentator as well.

    3) Coincidental. They tend to surface suddenly and somewhat coincidentally with a new controversial topic with no clear prior record of participation in general discussions in the particular public arena involved. They likewise tend to vanish once the topic is no longer of general concern. They were likely directed or elected to be there for a reason, and vanish with the reason.

    4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

    5) Anti-conspiratorial. They almost always have disdain for ‘conspiracy theorists’ and, usually, for those who in any way believe JFK was not killed by LHO. Ask yourself why, if they hold such disdain for conspiracy theorists, do they focus on defending a single topic discussed in a NG focusing on conspiracies? One might think they would either be trying to make fools of everyone on every topic, or simply ignore the group they hold in such disdain.Or, one might more rightly conclude they have an ulterior motive for their actions in going out of their way to focus as they do.

    6) Artificial Emotions. An odd kind of ‘artificial’ emotionalism and an unusually thick skin — an ability to persevere and persist even in the face of overwhelming criticism and unacceptance. This likely stems from intelligence community training that, no matter how condemning the evidence, deny everything, and never become emotionally involved or reactive. The net result for a disinfo artist is that emotions can seem artificial.

    Most people, if responding in anger, for instance, will express their animosity throughout their rebuttal. But disinfo types usually have trouble maintaining the ‘image’ and are hot and cold with respect to pretended emotions and their usually more calm or unemotional communications style. It’s just a job, and they often seem unable to ‘act their role in character’ as well in a communications medium as they might be able in a real face-to-face conversation/confrontation. You might have outright rage and indignation one moment, ho-hum the next, and more anger later — an emotional yo-yo.

    With respect to being thick-skinned, no amount of criticism will deter them from doing their job, and they will generally continue their old disinfo patterns without any adjustments to criticisms of how obvious it is that they play that game — where a more rational individual who truly cares what others think might seek to improve their communications style, substance, and so forth, or simply give up.

    7) Inconsistent. There is also a tendency to make mistakes which betray their true self/motives. This may stem from not really knowing their topic, or it may be somewhat ‘freudian’, so to speak, in that perhaps they really root for the side of truth deep within.

    I have noted that often, they will simply cite contradictory information which neutralizes itself and the author. For instance, one such player claimed to be a Navy pilot, but blamed his poor communicating skills (spelling, grammar, incoherent style) on having only a grade-school education. I’m not aware of too many Navy pilots who don’t have a college degree. Another claimed no knowledge of a particular topic/situation but later claimed first-hand knowledge of it.

    8) Time Constant. Recently discovered, with respect to News Groups, is the response time factor. There are three ways this can be seen to work, especially when the government or other empowered player is involved in a cover up operation:

    a) ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT – FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards truth.

    b) When dealing in more direct ways with a disinformationalist, such as email, DELAY IS CALLED FOR – there will usually be a minimum of a 48-72 hour delay. This allows a sit-down team discussion on response strategy for best effect, and even enough time to ‘get permission’ or instruction from a formal chain of command.

    c) In the NG example 1) above, it will often ALSO be seen that bigger guns are drawn and fired after the same 48-72 hours delay – the team approach in play. This is especially true when the targeted truth seeker or their comments are considered more important with respect to potential to reveal truth. Thus, a serious truth sayer will be attacked twice for the same sin

  95. NonE Says:


    DAMN, man. That was FINE. You left the period of of the very last sentence just to pull my chain, didn’t you? 😛

    – the Very Grammar and Puncutationist Nazi

  96. Incubus Says:

    It was a cut and paste job. I’ve seen lists like the one above before. Though the period may have been delibearte, I’m not sure.

  97. bruce sloane Says:

    geeezzz …

    I’ve seen ” lists ” too …

    Have you been taking lessons from Karl ..??

    NoNe is going to spank you for your spelling.

  98. Incubus Says:

    Well Mr. NoonE can pitch in his own damn apostrophe if it’s that important to him. About thyme he pays his fare cher!

  99. NonE Says:

    @ Incubus,

    HEY! You leave Cher outta this! (Sonny, on the other hand…)

    – the Very NonCaliforniaDeadPolitician

  100. free Says:

    I, the father, Karl Lentz , now as of September 5th 2008 has set a unheard of precedent, history making in FACT – I have a RESTRAINING ORDER GRANTED to me and my children, by a GREAT Judge (and he is an Alabama Judge) to prevent ANYMORE interference from the STATE of ALABAMA’s DHR…
    After seven long years and with the intervention of the ALABAMA Supreme Court (by
    providing an impartial Judge),
    Upon request, I will send you a copy of my interlocutory injunction and the court order generated by the Court; I finally was given the opportunity to present evidence in my defense… I demonstrated the harm, crimes, and potential crimes against me and my children IF Alabama CPS/DHR agents/caseworkers/social services agents Judge Sandra Storm worker Tenisha Felton, DHR IS NOT allowed ANYMORE involvement with my Children lives…. ENDURANCE-STAMINA-FAITH-GOD.
    Work hard enough, long enough – after seven (7) long YEARS, dreams come true.
    Next court date is October 6th, 2008. I Subpoenaed three Jefferson County Civil Family Court judges (the judges have already been subpoenaed) I wonder if they will be able to hide behind a “civil”(civilized judicial proceedings) code to claim they DON’T Have tooooo. Oooh, But I am sure they will try to figure out how not to testify under oath nor give a deposition, but if they have done NOTHING wrong why would judges be afraid to testify under Oath?
    This week I will subpoena Gov. Bob Reilly, Troy King, CPS/DHR director Candice Lanier, as well as CPS director Paul Butler as well…
    Good luck to all, God bless. Karl Lentz,,,
    Thank god I live in Virginia, and was NEVER an Alabama citizen…
    Oooh what’s funny I am on a CA/N Assessment of a Report of Child Abuse/Neglect ONLY in Alabama I just found this out in Feb , when my family tried to get a 11 year-old afro-american deaf boy into our home thru foster care thru the Commonwealth Virginia’s DHR (my sister is a teacher at the school for the deaf and the blind, oh yes I/my family is white) Virginia DHR told us we could not because I have been “FOUND” guilty of Abuse and/or Neglect in the State of Alabama, funny, and I never HAD a child in Alabama , nor never accused of charged with Abuse or Neglect to Children, by the DHR police or anybody anywhere in the USA.

  101. TJ Says:

    Hey guys, I filed a motion to Strike/Dismiss and Request for Full Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law, and the Judge sent me a letter back denying the motion with no grounds and wrote”Post #395 for Criminal Trial by [date] with caschiers check or money order through the mail, online with any major credit card at [county website], or over the phone with Visa or MasterCard during normal business hours. We do not accept personal checks.” And that was it, wondering if anyone has experience on how I should proceed, honors!

  102. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ TJ, file a motion to vacate for the arbitrary denial, if there were grounds they judge would have provided them.

  103. TJ Says:

    BTW my last comment was on a speeding traffic ticket- thanks

  104. TJ Says:

    ‘Motion to Dismiss’ in the form of a ‘petition’ is a “request” from the Judge. The judge is a public trustee, and therefore can admit or deny the motion for whatever reason, unless a (presumed) beneficiary gives the judge an ORDER, and if the judge disobeys the order, the judge will be in violation of trust law (treason), after of course you bind the judge to their oath before taking office and put that on court notice. Has anyone ever tried sending an ORDER to the judge instead of a request, such as a petition or have any thoughts about this?

  105. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ TJ, yes, I’ve done it and have gotten the same results as a motion.

  106. free Says:

    Has anyone considered lifting one’s foot off of the accelerator in the first place and abiding by the speed limits??? And when you sicken and die from the radiation fallout who will care about your agenda anyway?

  107. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ free, everyone is welcome here and I encourage critics, you’re not doing that though. This is not about getting out of speeding tickets. If you are so disgusted by me and the material on this site, why do you continue reading and commenting? If you are not just trolling, then call the show this week, I’m finally back home and can take calls 218 632 9399.

    Most of us are aware of things like fukishima, doesn’t mean we just give up.

  108. Incubus Says:

    @ free,

    When death comes to gently guide you into that good night, only to discover your “God” has forsaken you and it was all a fairytale, who will be their to caress your sore bum and spin another web of lies for you to delude yourself with?

  109. NonE Says:


    I hope you’re not counting on me for that sore bum caressment stuff. You’re not are you? Please? But you might make the offer yourself, of course, since you seem so concerned with the troll soul. 😉

    – the Very Not Caressing Troll Type

  110. Incubus Says:

    Seems a bit odd you would even ask that question in the first place. Looks to me like someonE just volunteered for booty duty!

    Not to be mistaken with booty doody, although there will likely be some of that too. 😉

  111. eye2i Says:


  112. NonE Says:

    eye2i Sed:
    —- Your concern is with the Booty Doody? or what?

    – NonAbleToStayOnTopicIfItKillsMe

  113. eye2i Says:

    @-NonAbleToStayOnTopicIfItKillsMe (aka NonEntity): wouldn’t the “Topic” include that tickets are getting thrown out because cops aren’t showing up for court? Now where have i heard that before… hmmmm? Something about “Motions” filed was it?? Something about a “Traffic Study”?? And the cops not showing up? Dang, where is it that i’ve heard that…?
    (the fact that for Them it’s a “problem” with Their Booty just reinforcing how “bad” = wide spread the problem is; and whether there’s more to be read between the lines? read into the “topic”? coincidence? cause & effect/cause & effect fallacy?)
    –NonDebbieDowner2i (but it is what it is?)

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