This is a rare audio for me; we have very few recordings from court proceedings. Judges tend to be afraid of being recorded. Despite the rules permitting recordings, judges, especially traffic court judges, always refuse recordings.
My opinion is recordings are refused because most traffic court judges are gutless psychopaths; they tend to have extreme anger issues and fly into screaming fits of rage when asked simple questions. Why would they want to public to see or hear their screaming fits?
This is from a traffic “hearing” done on the phone a few months ago. It was done on the phone, the court was on one line, and I was on another. Yes, this may be considered the heinous crime of practicing law without a license. Where would they prosecute that? It involved a court in Oregon, a defendant in California and I was in Arizona.
This traffic court judge insisted there was a valid cause of action and he had jurisdiction. He has no patience at all when questioned about this though. He is repeatedly asked how many elements are in a valid cause of action and where they are presented in the complaint. The judge refuses and insists the man I was helping did not want to proceed.
If there was a valid cause of action, then the judge would have calmly answered the question. That’s how honest people conduct themselves. Instead he got mad and continued the trial to another day. Of course, there was no trial as the cop conveniently did not show up. The ticket was thrown out and no failure to appear charge was issued against the cop even though he blew off a subpoena. All my messages to the sheriff’s department regarding why the cop did not show went unanswered.
We know why though. Traffic courts are run by criminals in black robes and uniforms.
December 20th, 2011 at 1:03 am
I’m more or less a new listener, just trying to learn all of this. Having 3 adult boys, I’ve been pulling my hair out trying to put all this info together. The last time I ended up in court with my middle boy, all it was, was a line a mile long…when you got into the court room it was, what I think 4 prosecutors, sitting in their chair calling name after name, you walked passed the gate, they asked your name, and TOLD you to PAY ON THE WAY OUT. (period) what a racket, every single person in there was told to pay or else, there must have 300 people there that day. I live in Connecticut, and this was at the Rockville Court House. Thanks
December 20th, 2011 at 2:14 am
Why are so many people just following a lawyer’s orders without question? Pay or else? Did they articulate the “or else”?
December 20th, 2011 at 5:05 am
I experience this not just in these petty kangarou courts but also in calls to corporations where I catch them in their contradictions. All they all do is either not answer the questions or claim they have and insist on moving on. Paper is another matter… there is no wiggle room if you keep it simple.
December 20th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Hey i’m wondering if this would be possible… I understand that the court is a two way street so say and for the sake of this theory, lets say the judge was an honest person and agrees there is no valid cause of action and dismisses my traffic ticket. Now the reason they dismissed it is because the plaintiff has no loss or injury, but hey I believe I now have a loss and I demand relief. I lost whatever the cost it took to get to the court house and more importantly I lost time which is very valuable to me. So now in theory wouldn’t I have a valid claim against the people of the state of blah blah. I didn’t go to court willingly, i went based on the threat that I would be arrested if I didn’t show. What do you think?
December 20th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Let’s face up to some basic realities – so-called courts are not there to deliver justice… they are there to implement control. If you go into court and use the ‘rule-of-law’ – they will counter this with the ‘rule-of-force.’ The judge is not neutral and is therefore not a judge… he/she is an administrator. The ‘court’ is not a common law court (and it should be) it is merely an administrative hearing. The administrators job is to impose the will of the state (which means extracting money from you) by using all the tools at his/her disposal… and that includes the threat of imprisonment.
But there is one other important fact that we need to remember… the ‘administrative hearing’ can only impose itself on those who consent to its jurisdiction. We consent without realising it. If we do not make an appearance we are arrested. That is where the rule-of-force kicks in. The so-called judge is assuming our consent… so when we are called to attend court we must, in advance of an appearance, rebut this assumption… turn up on the day merely to assist the court and to avoid confusion but NOT consenting. The first question we should ask the judge is ‘Do you claim any authority over me without my consent?’ Without your consent they have no jurisdiction.
The system is desperate for us NOT to understand this and will continue to oppress until we collectively stand up for our rights to live our lives peacefully and without the constant harassment from the state.
Roger Hayes
Englishman
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:53 pm
http://www.adl.org/learn/sovereign_movement/list_recent_sovereign_incidents.pdf
looks like sovereigns are getting a pretty bad rap over here
December 22nd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
“looks like sovereigns are getting a pretty bad rap over here”
pfft
300+ alleged Americans are getting a bad rap almost every day.
December 22nd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Where do we find the audio please?
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 am
There are two players above the comments below the article
December 23rd, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Hey Marc, longtime fellow N.Y.er! I have studied the script to the point I can evaluate the judges and can tell they catch on I’m gonna box’em in when I ask “am I entitled to a fair and meaningful trial?” and “Your honor can I receive a transcript of this arraignment? This usually ends up with my response to his silly nonsense “Sir why are you being so violent when I am just asking you question as to the nature of the charges and preceeding against me I am not an attorney!” All in all in the four court appearances I was told case dismissed each time! Your a great mentor for someone to read into their Bullcrap and give it right back to them. Most people are scared of these clowns in costumes but not me.
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Thank you Marc, but on my screen there are no players above or below as per all other audios/shows etc. Would someone be kind enough to email me or message me a link?
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Thanks for this Marc. These audios of the bureaucrats in action are helping me to understand much more and showing how to hold your ground when the bureaucrat tries to ignore your question and confuse you by conflating “jurisdiction” with “a valid cause of action.” One must stay calm and keep asking until the question is answered or until the robed one gets frustrated and pawns you off to a different robed one. Brilliant!
As to Kevin, the first commenter, it seems as if one must file a motion to dismiss BEFORE just showing up to the cash register line. Then, at your “hearing” you could ask the questions that Marc does. Keep reading and listening Kevin and you will figure it out. The hardest part for me is getting past all of the propaganda I’ve been fed. Thank so much Marc.
Jill
Human on the Earth
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
@ Sarah,
http://marcstevens.net/cos/cos20110822.html
The audio was posted with this article but it seems to have been moved into a seperate section. You can find it under the Call of Shame.
December 24th, 2011 at 2:27 am
Thank you Incubus! Ive been searching for this since Monday!
December 24th, 2011 at 3:23 am
Wow Jeff, nice work. Maybe you could share the details on the forum?
I love asking them why they are getting so mad.
December 24th, 2011 at 4:43 am
@Sarah: I don’t know why, but there is a small, intermittent issue of the audio files disappearing when they are modified. I have the audio back up and it should stick this time. Thanks for the heads up, wish I caught it sooner, I will keep a better eye out for this kind of stuff better in the future.
December 30th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Marc, how do you really feel? I mean, “traffic court judges are gutless psychopaths”?
However, I would recognize you as a lawyer as that term is defined as being someone who knows the law and can help others with pertinent information. An attorney at law on the other hand is someone registered with the “State” as accredited to represent individuals in courts of law.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-the-difference-between-an-attorney-lawyer-barrister-and-esquire.htm
It will be interesting to see what happened in the follow-up of this case. The judge now has time to write up a dismissal and go off to lick his wounds. Otherwise your client has certainly asked for information on the record. The record will show, if it has to be appealed, that your client has sought to have his case heard. His challenge to the veracity of the cause is on record and the judge will have to deal with that.
December 30th, 2011 at 10:15 am
The ticket was thrown out at the next proceeding when the cop didn’t show up.
I’m no lawyer though and don’t seek to be one or associated with such a bunch of dishonest people. I have met very few who did not make my skin crawl.
February 9th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Hey Marc,
I am so fed up with our society. I have felt, as of late, bullied by our police. I have received a handful of tickets. I drive a really crummy old red car, but it has, as one cop stated, “Mexican tail-lights’ so they always are out to get me. They pull me over for CRAZY reasons, and not once have I actually violated anything. I have a court date in Virginia over a speeding ticket. I was on a new road to me, and the cop fooled me into believing I was speeding. He told me I was going 60 in a 45, and I told him I was going 55 and I thought the speed limit was 55. I looked to my left and their was a hair corral. I continue driving after he dished me his ticket and he noticed at the next intersection there was a reduced speed ahead, followed by a 45mph sign. He lied. I was pulled over, in this short 20 minute Saturday night (near a college) 3 times for “speeding”, “swirving” and then “I thought you were drinking but you were just taking a sip from your Mr. Pibb, okay”. Whenever I drive there, on weekend nights, I am always followed. They turn around and follow me on the most backwoods roads.
So I have your criminal script. I was wondering a few things. I have a court date FRIDAY (so technically tomorrow, February 10th). I was wondering if I was allowed to bring the script to court and read off of it, and also, how to modify the Arizona section to the Virginia Constitution. I have tried to do so myself, but can’t find anything in the VA Constitution of equal merit.
Hope to hear from you soon! My email is mrc002@eagles.bridgewater.edu
February 9th, 2012 at 12:32 am
I should note on the above, he marked the ticket at the intersection where the speed limit was 45, but that isn’t where he pulled me over.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Don’t just read the script in court, you need to understand the process. Role-play and stick to only a few issues, you will not have much time to ask questions. Psychos don’t like being questioned. Stick to about 3 issues:
cause of action, conflict of interest, presence within state/applicability of the laws
February 14th, 2012 at 11:58 am
“cause of action, conflict of interest, presence within state/applicability of the laws”
Dear Mark, please is that (cause of action)no injury; no crime?(conflict of interest)I think I understand that, if the judge works for the body politic then there is a conflict of interest and no fair trial? And (presence within state/applicability of the laws) can they cite the Law I.E.show the actual Law or moral/just Law?
Thomas
England
February 14th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Yes, the judge will be representing the plaintiff. They have to show what the law is (an opinion) and the facts connecting it to you, they also have to prove presence within the state.
February 15th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Phew, I just went into court the other day having read tons and tons of times the script and I was treated so horrendous by the judge. He threatened to hold me in contempt of court if I asked more questions (having the bailiff stand beside me, asked me if I was able to practice law in Virginia, asked me I wanted a continuance to get a lawyer (as if I am incapable of representing myself), told me he did not understand a Supreme Court ruling (conveniently), told me I needed to hurry up because I was wasting his time, and even denied me the right to face my accuser, found my guilty, and got all red in the face and yelled. It was brutal, but I fought til the end. (I am 22 and look about 15, and I made him contradict a lot and look stupid).
February 19th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Marc, Angela Stark posted an article mp3 on one of your sound files titled ” how to own an IRS Lawyer”, Is this still available???
Im in Canada, but interested as hell to hear it. We share the sur-name by the way………………….lol
Thanks in advance
Brian: Stevens
February 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
Yeah it’s here under the call of shame link.