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Canadian Prosecutor Cannot Prove Constitution Applies

Posted on November 11th, 2016 by Marc Stevens

Back in July a Canadian prosecutor insisted we had to put our question of evidence in writing.  She refused to say she would be responsive, only that she should respond.  Not very professional in my opinion.

It took weeks to respond and another prosecutor with the Edmonton Depart. of Justice.  As you’ll see, the best this second attorney could do was evade the question by being non-responsive and using logical fallacies.  Let’s break this “response” down.

I did call this prosecutor up and he did not want to speak to me, he made an excuse about me not being a lawyer and hung up the phone.  My question is very easy to understand and is important to present first so we can see how the prosecutor was not responsive.  He responded, but was not responsive to the question.

Per your request on the phone today I’ve put my request in writing. I know you and the CRA believe that if I’m physically in Canada, then your constitution and laws apply and that is the basis of the government’s alleged jurisdiction over me. My question is: What evidence (specific facts) do you and the CRA rely on to prove your claim is true?

You were very resistant on the phone and would not confirm you would be responsive to my question, only that you would respond. Please be responsive and address this question of fact. It is not an argument, not an issue of law, I am not a sovereign citizen or freeman or any such type. Do not cite court opinions as opinions are not responsive, and at best an appeal to authority (please do not waste time citing the Meads case as that only dealt with issues of law). Do not give legal citations as they are non-responsive to a question of fact.

Also, please provide the names of any CRA employees you may rely on, and provide direct contact information.

What we got as an answer was this below:

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The prosecutor claims you can’t explain the law’s application without referring to the law itself.  This is another example of circular logic, the laws apply because they say so.

The second logical fallacy is proof by assertion.  All the prosecutor does is restate his claim, “Within Canada you are subject to the laws of Canada…”  We already know that’s your claim, just repeating it doesn’t make it true.

The rest of the sentence is merely a legal opinion and not evidence the constitution applies: “…and you are also entitled to the rights, freedoms and protections provided by those laws…”  The fact everyone in Canada is forced to pay taxes under threat of jail negates this legal opinion.

Despite only presenting a proof by assertion fallacy and a false legal claim, the prosecutor makes an unwarranted assumption  by citing the the tax code claiming it applies because:

The Federal Income Tax Act (“ITA”) states that “every person resident in Canada at any time in the year” is to pay that person’s taxable income…

The prosecutor just presumes his claim is true, not a single supporting fact is provided.  He then presents several things, some factual, some just opinions:

You filed your 2010 and 2012 income tax returns as a Canadian resident in Alberta, using a Canadian address.  You have a Canadian Social Insurance Number.  You earned taxable income from Canadian sources including Canadian employers, as shown by your T4 slips.  All of these factors indicate that the ITA applies to you.

Filing a tax return is compulsory, always done under threat of jail.  Forcing strangers to give you money under threat of punishment does not make written instruments apply to others and create obligations on them.  This alone negates the second part about the insurance number.  Also, how would getting the insurance number prove the constitution applied anyway?  That’s right, it doesn’t, it’s putting the cart before the horse.

Whether income is “taxable” is a matter of legal opinion, it’s not a statement of fact.  Being “taxable” is dependent on the constitution applying, which the prosecutor has failed to prove.  Logically, the text of the code is irrelevant until the prosecutor proves the constitution applies.

I get money from people in Canada, does that prove the constitution applies to me?  No one I’ve spoken to in Canada with the CRA, DoJ, MP‘s and other government agents have been able to prove it.  Though some, including Robert Diab, a law professor, did admit there was no evidence, just “a blunt assertion of power.”

The prosecutor claims: “All of these factors indicate that the ITA applies to you.”  Except for his proof by assertion fallacy, he makes no attempt to use the return/Canada address/Canada source income to prove the constitution applies, he only refers to the ITA while assuming his claim about the constitution is true.

This prosecutor is defending the legal claims of unknown agents of the Canadian Revenue Agency.  He fails to disclose the name of his agents/witnesses; such disclosure is required by good faith, fairness and due process.  Is that a harmless oversight?  We won’t know until the prosecutor answers directly or is confronted about it in court.

We know they have no evidence, just blunt assertions of power covered up with logical fallacies.  So if you are defending yourself against them, it’s easy to discredit them.  Getting them to do the right thing and back off, that is much more difficult a task.

That thoroughly debunks this typical prosecutorial misconduct, it is certainly obstruction of justice.  Another prosecutor who failed to present evidence proving the constitution applies to us just because we’re physically in Canada.   But such failure has not stopped him from trying to destroy a peaceful man’s life.

If you think I’ve made an error in my analysis, or that you think the prosecutor was responsive and provided evidence a written instrument from 1867 applies to me or anyone else today, just because they are physically in Canada, then please present your proof.

 

 

              

328 Comments For This Post

  1. i.n.rem Says:

    I did not have to look any further than ” You filed your tax returns as a citizen of Canada”

    game over

  2. Marc Stevens Says:

    He didn’t use “citizen”, he used resident.

  3. damon Says:

    I agree with inrem above.

    being “taxable” is NOT dependent on the constitution applying in no way shape or form. It is as I have said before. They are taxing privileged activities one carries on with the government. In this case like in most cases it is the use of a SIN or social insurance number as it is called at Canada. The use of the “benefit” that comes at your neighbors expense is what makes one taxable.

    The insurance number does not make the constitution apply either. It is people agreeing to be taxed for using the number. Most people never read the accompanying agreement/contract. In America it is the Social Security Act and is found in title 42 of the US code. If you do not want title 42 to apply to you alongside title 26 an all the other titles for that matter than stop using the number which shows your consent to be a “taxpayer”.

    This will not change as one cannot take the benefit and also NOT carry the burden. It does not work like that. Stop taking the benefit of the number.

    I also noted the term “resident” being used again. This is a STATUS and not a location. It has nothing to do with where you are located physically.

    To be or not to be, that is the question.

  4. spooky2th Says:

    damon, as usual, nothing but un-provable claims, assertions and arguments. Court cases are decided with facts and law. The mafia does not have a right to force the taxation (steal money and/or property) on anybody.

  5. spooky2th Says:

    Should have said, “The mafia does not have ANY JURISDICTION to “force” the taxation (steal money and/or property) on anybody.

  6. damon Says:

    they do not force it spooky,

    they have your agreement, they have both your express and implied consent. You have agreed to pay the tax through the use of the benefits. the agreement can be found in the us code. I do not need to prove anything to you cause u have already provided all that is needed to enforce the code against you. You claim to be a resident, nuff said. You most likely fill out tax forms and have and actively use a socialist insecurity number.

    don’t want to be taxed? stop using a number and all benefits. stop filling out government forms and signing them under penalties of perjury which mind you constitutes testimony of a witness. You have given the witness under oath. not an “unprovable claim” mate…you did it and most likely still do.

    they have jurisdiction because you have given it to them and seek benefits from rulers.

  7. damon Says:

    you speak of law but ignore it completely,

    he who accepts the benefits must also bear the burden…

    that is law.

  8. NonEntity Says:

    I guess all those Libyans need to kiss Hillary’s ass because of all the bombs and shit she benefited upon them, huh?

  9. damon Says:

    not the same thing,

    most “Americans” have been numbered and actively use a number which directly correlate to benefits used or benefits that are assumed to be used. They tax this.

    They do not tax YOU but can only tax their own creations legislative or otherwise. I do not know why this is so hard to grasp?

    Its the same ole same ole…blame everyone else for my own ignorance and their deception.

    Still wont change the fact that if you use their benefits you will subject yourself to their jurisdiction.

    Are you one that complains about taxes and yet uses a socialist number and fills out tax forms claiming to be a taxpayer?

    Do you blame others for issues that you yourself might be responsible for?

    your same flawed arguments which are really nothing more than the real issue (not wanting to take responsibility for your actions, sloth and covetousness) will not change a thing until you are willing to face them and take responsibility for them. Then can you begin to get past them.

    Until then you will continue to blame others and government for what is your own fault.

    every time you use their benefits you agree to be bound by the terms…this is law.

    Don’t like the terms…stop using the benefits.

    Want to be “free”? Then you have to set others free. Stop taking from benefactors that exercise authority over your neighbor and take from them to provide for you. All social welfare has to come through charity to be at liberty. Cant tax what is given freely or sacrificed as termed in the Scriptures.

  10. spooky2th Says:

    damon, It’s sad that you cannot prove anything you say. Just like a typical political liar.

    Prove it baby, prove it!

  11. damon Says:

    if you use a social and fill out tax forms and claim residence and statutory citizenship you have proved it yourself. I need not prove anything. You signed under penalties of perjury, which again constitutes testimony of a witness (yours) of your taxpayer status.

    “he who accepts the benefit must also bear the burden”

    just crying for me to “prove” to you doesn’t change the fact that you have given up your responsibilities and therefore lost your rights, and you either choose not to see what I tell you on purpose or you are really just that blind. I think it is the former because its easier to blame everyone else instead of take your responsibility for your part in the matter.

    quit filling out tax forms if you don’t want to pay taxes, and get rid of the social, otherwise quit your complaining and pay you tribute to your conscripted fathers

  12. NonEntity Says:

    law: an opinion backed by a gun

  13. i.n.rem Says:

    RESIDENT:
    one temporarily in a place
    i.e. —

    IN INTERSTATE COMMERCE

  14. i.n.rem Says:

    Marc,
    You are losing me here

    the defendant testified under Oath, i.e. Jurat–
    that:

    He was a :

    1) Canadian Citizen — S.I.N #
    2) a Resident — Address
    3) he filed a — “Return” of Tax liability

    what more could a Prosecutor want ..??

  15. Marc Stevens Says:

    The signing is compulsory and presupposes it’s already been prove the constitution applies. He could have signed he was Santa Claus or Odin, that doesn’t mean he is. Signing is compulsory, that negates the validity of the document.

  16. spooky2th Says:

    damon, why won’t you prove anything you say? For one thing you can’t. Probably should stop with all of your political lies, here.

    The burden of proof is on “YOU, damon.” Prove it baby, prove it!

  17. spooky2th Says:

    Sign this, sign that. It is all forced. Compelled. Sign here, or you do not get hired. Govt is not supposed to control the economy, much less the hiring process for companies. Lot’s of people that do not sign a speeding ticket were thrown in jail. Everything about govt is force, threats, intimidation and violence. Obey or else! Pay or else! Because of this simple fact, there is no jurisdiction anywhere. There’s a good reason that it not provable in or out of court.

  18. NonEntity Says:

    Hey Spooks, you’ve got it all wrong… you always have a choice. You can either have your signature on the paper or the splatters of your brain. There’s no compulsion. Get off it man!

  19. NonEntity Says:

    Spooks sed, “. Govt is not supposed to…” oh great, now you’re telling us what an imaginary entity uses for rules! Next I expect you’ll be telling us what some god’s plan is. (Shakes head as he backs slowly from the room.) (J/K… 🙂

  20. NonEntity Says:

    I remember that when I was in high school my friend would always sign the gasoline company credit card slips “Magilla Gorilla.” Oddly he always seemed to get the bill anyway.

  21. Marc Stevens Says:

    Marc Victor, the attorney, told me when he took the oath to join the bar he used Donald Duck instead of him name. I’m also thinking that he doesn’t pay his union dues as Donald Duck.

  22. damon Says:

    No one forces you to sign anything. You do it voluntarily.

    What happens here is people elect authoritarians to exercise authority over you to provide for their welfare. This is called covetousness. No matter what, you are not a lone wolf and will have to figure out a way to care for your neighbor that does not involve “force” or a “compelled sacrifice”. The only way to do this is through charity , not in their court rooms where they have jurisdiction the moment you FILE paperwork in their court.

    I agree with rem up there except for the resident part. Residence is a 2 part word.

    RES= latin for thing

    ident = short for identity

    =a thing identified.

    Resident is a status one claims. you cannot get a privileged drivers license without claiming to be resident or granting them jurisdiction. All else he is spot on. At no time ever do you have to claim to be a resident, but you get cut off from them, as it should be. See you cannot complain on the one hand about taxes then take benefits on the other…it is contradictory. Your either in or your either out.

    No one forces your “clients” to use a number. Not does one have to have a number to function, although they do make it difficult for those who will not be a part of their religious system of social welfare.

    And we end up back at point A. What is in its place to care for your neighbor or the people that frequent your site? Is their an alternative being set up so people do not have to go to the governments of men? People keep blaming government but it is in fact the peoples own selfishness and covetous practices that have got them to where they are. They keep asking them to take more because they want “free health care”, “free school”, “Free this and that”. People will continue in their bondage until that gravy train runs out and they will either learn to help one another through charity or they will perish , cause troubled times are a coming. People will have to start taking back responsibility if they want their rights. Start with educating your children at home instead of burdening the State. Stop asking others to do the things you should be doing. Or if you do ask , then shut up and pay it.

  23. Marc Stevens Says:

    “People keep blaming government but it is in fact the peoples own selfishness and covetous practices that have got them to where they are.”

    So the people are to blame that they are forced, under threat of jail, to give money to people called “government?”

  24. NonEntity Says:

    Marc, it is against the roolz, as well as being bad form, for the owner of a site to feed the tools.

  25. NonEntity Says:

    Ooops… trolls.

  26. damon Says:

    Marc, I said,

    people elect authoritarian benefactors whom exercise authority over their neighbors to provide welfare and benefits at their neighbors expense.

    It is the peoples selfishness and covetousness that are to blame. That is why so few next to none of your listeners seem to be willing to admit they are partially to blame for the current state of affairs much less let go of the socialist insecurity number or even stop filling out tax forms.

    No one forces you to fill out forms or to right that number down. No one forces you to register your children with the state. no one forces you to claim to be a resident or a citizen. you do those thing of your own accord.

    I do not troll entity. It is clear and stated plainly. if you use the benefits you are subject to the rules that accompany said benefits. Unless you are willing to sacrifice for your neighbor through a system of social welfare based on charity as is written in the scriptures you deny, then you will remain in your bondage under tribute to your conscripted fathers of the earth. You can hate it and blame other all you want as I use to do, but the truth will be sitting right there. if you want to be free, you have to set others free. to do this you must first stop blaming everyone else and realize that you in fact and in deed are party responsible for this mess. Until you can do that you will never come to realize the truth. You will continue to blame everyone else , like marc, and walk in blindness.

    @ marc again…I did not pay federal income taxes lawfully for quite a few years, and I came under no threat of jail. My wife was actually interviewed by the FBI and they found no fault with us during this time. They actually asked
    “what is this with not paying taxes” to which the reply was

    “render unto Caesars the things that are Caesers and render unto God the things that are Gods”.

    Then he moved on.

    They compel the offering when you use the benefits. This they CAN do. Your “clients” are CARD CARRYING MEMBERS.

    So yes it remains the same as I have said

    “People keep blaming government but it is in fact the peoples own selfishness and covetous practices that have got them to where they are.”

    Stop wanting your neighbor to pay for your welfare. Your followers can start by educating their children at home instead of burdening the state.

  27. NonEntity Says:

    Speaking of benefits…
    http://www.dcclothesline.com/2016/11/14/australian-60-minutes-exposed-the-worldwide-satanic-pedophile-network/

  28. dan Says:

    NonE, you had it correct the first time, tool.

  29. NonEntity Says:

    Just goes to show you that the spell chick are smarter than we is.

  30. spooky2th Says:

    quote: “No one forces you to fill out forms or to right that number down. No one forces you to register your children with the state. no one forces you to claim to be a resident or a citizen. you do those thing of your own accord.”

    What planet have you been living on, damon??? Can you prove anything you say here? Nope.

  31. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    law: an opinion backed by a gun

    Oh wait… NonEntity already wrote that.

  32. damon Says:

    spooky your so lost mate,

    you have provided all the proof they need and you have done it both express and implied consent.

    You can keep asking for proof and they will keep laughing at you while they hold your paperwork you filled out under penalties of perjury and your bank statements that you are in fact and in deed a “taxpayer”, “resident”, “citizen”, “contributing member”, “card carrying member”, add infinity.

    You give the proof and have given it and will continue to give it cause you have no other place to go to provide for your welfare. It has to come through charity, no one can tax what you give freely. If people operated on charity for their welfare in tightly knit assemblies there would be no taxes. But the people at present are too selfish and covetous so they remain slaves as do you.

    Contract makes the law and you are contracted with them and have “unequal yokes” that you complain about quite bitterly.

  33. NonEntity Says:

    Demon is a perfect example of why it’s important to recognize that “there is no ‘we’.” Notice how he claims every person is guilty of the crimes he dreams up in his head. Evidence? We don’t need no stinkin’ evidence! GUILTY!!! And he hasn’t even mentioned voting. If he’d brought up voting I might be forced to agree with him. Voting is the act of condoning violence to get others to behave as you wish for them to behave. Voters deserve to have violence enacted against them. Karma, and all that. -30-

  34. NonEntity Says:

    Marc sed,.”Signing is compulsory, that negates the validity of the document.” — Playing devil’s advocate here, if there are no “rights,” and I think you and I agree that there are none, then how is signing such papers (as we refer to in this conversation) an act of compulsion? Signing a form which will allow us somewhat unfettered access to “public” thoroughfares is not coercion if we do not in fact have a “right” to such access in the first place. What it is,I would contend, is an act of self defense against self proclaimed predators. I’m not sure how great that distinction is, but it is a distinction. It is an act of self defense, just as in the case where it is not wrong to lie to one who is threatening you. Marc, you used the word “compulsory”; I’m not sure self defense and compulsion are equivalent. In my mind, at least, it’s an interesting distinction.

  35. NonEntity Says:

    How many libertarians can dance on the head of a pin?

  36. damon Says:

    I did mention it.

    People elect authoritarian benefactors to exercise authority over their neighbor to compel their neighbor to provide welfare. 10th commandment,

    Thou shalt not covet.

    That is what people are doing though. They elect authoritarians who promise benefits that come at your neighbors expense. So the ones who demand the benefits (THE PEOPLE) are guilty of covetousness. That is EXACTLY WHY they are under tribute and in bondage. They are sinning in this and the end result is what you see around you. They do not care if you are angry, you neighbor wants “free” school at your expense for their children. Your neighbor wants “free” health care at your expense no matter what you think. Your neighbor demands you take care of them in their old age and retirement and wants you to pay into this your entire working life so they can have the funds to “retire”.

    See the government is a reflection of the peoples heart and their organized selfishness. The sooner you realize this instead of blaming them (government) you can begin to see your part in the problem and maybe, just maybe repent of your (our) covetous nature so we can actually begin to heal this land.

    The only way a system of social welfare will work and NOT breed tyranny and bondage is if it is operated solely on CHARITY where you get to decide how much to give and when instead of the “conscripted fathers” deciding for you when and how much. This type of system is at the heart of “do unto others as you would have done unto you” which is law for all, to which you will deny.

    People that do not wish to walk this way, well, they have a system set up for the selfish covetous tyrants who seek to compel their neighbor to contribute to their welfare. This is the system you complain about but are stuck in. You are stuck there because you refuse to at least hear the slightest bit of truth to which I speak and you are blinded by your pride.

    So you will follow marc and watch a ticket get dismissed here and there never coming to the knowledge of the truth. That is,

    If you want to be free, you have to first set others free. This requires you to not take benefits from those that are offered at the expense of your neighbor. How can you expect to ever be free if you will not set others free?

    Sadly people wouldn’t even know what to do with real liberty because of the responsibility it entails. This responsibility is actually “doing to others as you would have done to you”. It will require sacrifice most of which are not willing.

  37. NonEntity Says:

    Demon proclaimed,”…you can begin to see your part in the problem and…” — has anyone mentioned that you’re an arrogant asshole?

  38. damon Says:

    why would you take offense?

    we are all part of the problem because we have all coveted. I say it to you because it is also true as it is for me. But your pride gets in your way. You have to be able to admit it.

    You have a covetous nature…it is hard because people do not like to actually look at themselves, because when they do they realize they aren’t really as good as they thought they were.

    We all have selfish covetous sinful nature and I am guilty of it. are u and if so can u admit it. Can you see that you have been part of the problem in what those people are doing?

    And what alternative do you have for not paying taxes to care for your neighbor, the widows, homeless and orphans. Not the people that can work and don’t but people who genuinely need care? What have you and marc discussed about taking care of each other when the “unrighteous mammon” (current system) fails , which it will as you are watching it do so now.

    do not be offended in me man I am only telling you the truth about your current situation. I understand it is hard to hear but none the less.

    You are in bondage because you have not set others free. When you begin to do so you will get your freedom. But you must care about your neighbor as much as yourself and maybe even more. You must literally do unto to others as you would have done unto you. You will have to love your neighbor as yourself.

  39. spooky2th Says:

    As evidenced above and on other threads, ya just cannot get a rational discussion with, damon. He starts blaming the ones talking to him instead of showing with actual facts how there is any jurisdiction anywhere. How can an imaginary fiction have any kind of powers like jurisdiction over flesh & blood humans???

    damon, has been asked literally hundreds of times here and on other threads to prove anything he says, especially jurisdiction in any victimless case and he just keeps rambling on with more unprovable assumptions, presumptions, claims and arguments. Plus twisting it all against anyone that is questioning him.

    Suppose tax paying citizen (forms filled out and boxes checked) get’s a speeding ticket. What facts do you rely on damon, for any jurisdiction over the so called speeder to pay the court anything at all??? Words on any paper do quoting codes, etc do not count as facts here as you should know. Is there a “signed” contract somewhere that says one is mandated to pay speeding tickets???

    damon? Is there a signed document from my creator to your G-d, the govt, giving permission to enslave and/or rule over me??? I know there isn’t, so you should stop including me (and anybody else) in your childish rants.

  40. spooky2th Says:

    Correction for my post just above:

    Words on any paper “and” quoting codes, etc do not count as facts here as you should know.

  41. i.n.rem Says:

    Marc Stevens Says:
    November 14th, 2016 at 12:54 pm

    The signing is compulsory and presupposes it’s already been prove the constitution applies. He could have signed he was Santa Claus or Odin, that doesn’t mean he is. Signing is compulsory, that negates the validity of the document.
    ————————————————————————-
    I see no evidence that the defendant was forced to sign these documents
    You are making a blanket statement that does not apply to the instant Case
    well, this is how .Gov will view such anyways

  42. damon Says:

    The government is not my god first and foremost spooky.

    As far as the speeding ticket, it is right in the Motor Vehicle Code of the STATE you claim to be “RESIDENT” in. It (the code you have agreed to be bound by)says you agree to all the terms within by accepting and using the drivers license. Which you by your voluntary action have made application for which means to , beg, plead , entreat or make request. YOU BEGGED for it.

    Another way, if you go into a restaurant and order a meal and then eat the meal you have just entered into an implied contract, which is binding mind you. Now your going to turn to me and ask me to prove to you that you have to pay for it and say my claim that you owe is “baseless”? It is ludicrous. I have to either question your mental aptitude or you are just being difficult beyond measure.

    If you plan on collecting your socialist insecurity funds (which are broke and not able to paid very soon) then pay your tribute to your conscripted fathers. If you do not want to pay then the only alternative that offers real liberty is a system of social welfare just like Moses did after they left Egypt. A system of “sacrifice”.

    Problem there is you do not believe, and that is why you will stay in your current state of bitterness and bondage. You do not believe in His name (character).

    It seems to elude you spooky that to use the benefits you must also pay into them. This should not be so difficult to understand. Furthermore, you claim similar to Marc I presume that there are no citizens yet every year on your 1040 you swear under penalties of perjury that you have this status and are also a “taxpayer”. Why would anyone in their right mind pay into and also claim this status if they do not believe it exists? Why would anyone protest YOUR claim of YOUR tax paying status that YOU swore to UNDE PENALTY? If in fact you pay federal income taxes.

    I would suggest you take a closer look at contract law and how you can be bound not only by your sworn testimony but also by your actions. Just asking me to prove their jurisdiction as I lay it down brick by brick for you does not mean they do not have it when you give it to them.

    You seem to intentionally seek to be difficult. But your premise that doesn’t hold any water spooky. Your in a system of bondage because of covetousness.

    Based on your statements you are one that would like to collect without paying in which shows your character on its face. You think you want freedom but are not showing the character that requires true freedom and liberty. That character of liberty is one of sacrifice and charity. One that goes into a restaurant, eats and then complains about paying is one void of understanding. One that would like to take without paying is thief and covetous.

  43. dan Says:

    govtards & assholes, sounds like a Joe Walsh tune

  44. spooky2th Says:

    And I repeat damon, “Words on any paper “and” quoting codes, etc do not count as facts here as you should know.” For one thing codes cannot and have never been proven to apply. It is a large scam by the criminals that call them selves govt. Didn’t Spooner say something to the effect that by this kind of logic, any band of liars and thieves can call them selves a govt and then their crimes will be legal???

    And you are using the word “you” a lot too. When I think you cannot get any more ridiculous, you surprise my and do so.

    There is no contract when everything is based on threats intimidation and violence, which voids any contract.

    You still have not proven anything, damon. Just more of your same old garbage of arguments, claims, assumptions and on & on. This is your M.O. It is sad, to me that you are so mixed up with too many double standards and stupid beliefs.

  45. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Damon wrote:
    “You can keep asking for proof and they will keep laughing at you while they hold your paperwork you filled out under penalties of perjury […] that you are in fact and in deed a “taxpayer”[…]

    What evidence do you rely upon to prove that I am a taxpayer?

    TITLE 26 – INTERNAL REVENUE CODE
    Subtitle F – Procedure and Administration
    CHAPTER 79 – DEFINITIONS
    Sec. 7701. Definitions

    (a) When used in this title, where not otherwise distinctly expressed or manifestly incompatible with the intent thereof –
    (14) Taxpayer
    The term “taxpayer” means any person subject to any internal revenue tax.

    What evidence can you supply that explains what makes me subject to the income tax?

    The term “taxpayer” in this opinion is used in the strict or narrow sense contemplated by the Internal Revenue Code and means a person who pays, overpays, or is subject to pay his own personal income tax. (See Section 7701(a)(14) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1954.) A “nontaxpayer” is a person who does not possess the foregoing requisites of a taxpayer.
    Economy Plumbing and Heating Co. v. U.S., 470 F. 2d 585 (1972)

    What makes me subject to paying an income tax?

    Here’s the words of law, presented and examined:
    http://www.synapticsparks.info/tax/TheIncomeTax.html
    Now present your evidence according to the law, Damon.

  46. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Damon wrote:
    “No one forces you to fill out forms or to right that number down.”

    Have you attempted to get a job without filling out those forms?

    You won’t get hired even though there is no requirement for such forms.
    Employers (in the dictionary sense) choose to remain ignorant of what the law actually requires… And it does NOT require a TIN/SSN for somebody working solely within any one of the fifty states united.

    Here’s the law that hiring companies think they are required to obey:
    http://www.synapticsparks.info/tax/W4InstructionsSay.html

  47. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Damon wrote:
    “being “taxable” is NOT dependent on the constitution applying in no way shape or form.”

    Granted, I’m not addressing this as a Canadian, however I suspect since lawyers are liars all over the world, the same mechanisms are going to be in play.

    Being “taxable” IS most certainly dependent upon the constitution. congress can NOT tax without authority, said alleged authority to be found in article 1, section 8 of the constitution.

    Nobody is born with innate authority over me;
    Therefore nobody has any authority to tax me;
    Therefore nobody can delegate such authority to anybody called congress via a document called the constitution;
    And even so, those who allegedly delegated this supposed authority via the constitution are long dead.

  48. damon Says:

    I appreciate your response habenae.

    what you are not taking into consideration is that your parents DID have the power to sell you into bondage. This they most likely have done and you most likely continue use the numbers they applied for. Continued use of the benefit is consent to all of the obligations arising from said use. One of which is to pay taxes. What makes one “subject” is their use of the number and its perceived benefits, which I will remind come at the expense of our neighbors, hence the bondage cause its based on covetousness.

    I disagree that taxation over you is a constitutional question. Actually the internal revenue code AS WRITTEN is completely constitutional. The taxation comes through the CONTINUED USE OF THE BENEFIT. See your “power to contract” cannot be infringed, constitutionally speaking. BUT, u can contract your rights away. It reads

    “No slavery or INVOLUNTARY servitude”. One can volunteer however, and most have been sold into bondage by their parents. They registered their children with the state, giving up responsibility over them and allowing them to become eligible for benefits at the expense of their neighbor.

    I am wholly aware of the internal revenue code and its implications along with its words of art.

    there are three parties they can tax

    1)BENEFIT RECIPIENTS

    2)GOVERNMENT CONTRACTORS

    3)GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES

    the issue is that most “citizens” fit all three of the above as they have been diligent in their deception.

    I understand fully that a social is not required to either “live or work in the united states”. You CAN get a job without it, but the jobs you might not like. I have worked without one for five years. I also know of others that have done the same.

    So the law is this…

    he who accepts the benefits must also bear the burden.

    contract makes the law

    One cannot simultaneously confirm and deny.

    These are just a few maxims that apply. You most likely have and use government property at public expense for a perceived benefit.

    you want your freedom you must set other free. The system of social welfare has to operate on charity for a people to have real liberty. All else will eventually lead back into bondage. A system of charity requires a diligent minority. But some here would rather take and not pay. these are the people that will remain in their bondage and perish with their sinking ship of false hope. Everyone here knows its going down and with no alternative , where will you go?

  49. Boxer Says:

    demon (devil’s advocate? damon?):

    Everything you say is based on a non sequeter. If any aspect of these supposed agreements are based on force (which you rightly concede they are) then nothing can be considered an agreement. Putting a gun to a woman’s head, repeatedly hitting her until she succumbs to your wishes, and then buying her gifts, and telling her you love her doesn’t make the sex consensual no matter how much you want to believe that. Further, if said gifts were “gifted” under such threat duress and coercion no one can be said to benefit from them because they were never voluntary. What you consider a “benefit” I consider a friggin partial refund.

  50. NonEntity Says:

    friggin: of or pertaining to vessels used in the trade of piracy

  51. nomad Says:

    I have only read two of his comments here and I wonder if Damon believes that only Christians are able to function outside of coercive human government?

  52. Marc Stevens Says:

    Damon, you’re making an argument that would justify criminal organizations like the North Korean “government”, and Hitler’s government. Those “benefits” are given only because the people have been robbed first. This is not an ethical dilemma such as, is it immoral to take a loaf of bread to feed your starving family.

    If you force strangers to give you money you are a crook and it doesn’t matter how nice you are to your victims afterward.

  53. NonEntity Says:

    I swear, Marc, if you keep feeding the troll I’m going to have to ban you from your… oh, wait. Nevermind.

  54. damon Says:

    You presume you are forced.

    No one forces you to pay them anything.
    You use a social security number and fill out tax forms. I have told you if you do not want to pay the taxes QUIT using the benefits. It really is that simple. No social = no federal income tax. If you use it then pay for it. It is how they keep track of your “earnings” as a “benefit recipient, government contractor and government employee as I stated above concerning the three parties they can tax.

    I am not justifying anything unlawful in the least marc. You will never be able to get around the law. If you accept the benefits you must also bear the burden. You have in your possession a card with a number that shows you are part of their religious system just like if you were member of the NRA. You have membership dues as a card carrying member. Stop being a member. You can do this and never have to leave the country and you do not even have to expatriate although that is another option for some.

    Your arguments are similar to the restaurant owner I keep bringing up. You go in buy the meal and eat it and now complain they are forcing you to pay. Its obscured. All I really hear here is people want to be able to take the benefits and complain about having to pay “their fair share”. Maybe revealing a even more covetous people than those who pay in and don’t complain. Is that the case?

    This is why I try to continually bring up the only alternative that provides for true and real liberty but am always slandered by your ” guard dogs” you have on here. The only way you will EVER be free is to first set others free. This means taking no benefits from the government that come at the expense of your neighbor. This also means providing for one another through charitable networks.

    Those you keep calling thieves and insane are actually doing what most of the people are to lazy and slothful and should be doing themselves. They provide for the welfare of the people. The way they go about it is wrong and always fails however. It will not last and is slated to collapse. The we will really see what the covetous socialists are capable of when they have no food stamps coming in. Where do you think they will go for blood?

    What you are not realizing is that it is your neighbor that is compelling you to sacrifice for their welfare. You blame the government but that is just a reflection of the peoples heart. Government is a fiction. Its agents of government acting on behalf of the people and their covetous desires over your substance. This is why it is so very important to understand that the welfare must be provided for by and through charity…..YOU CANNOT TAX WHAT IS GIVIN FREELY OR DONATED IF YOU WILL! It is the only system that does not exercise authority over the people. Unfortunately for you it is called the kingdom of God. I say unfortunate because you do not believe and yet again I remind you, this is why you and all your clients are and will remain in their bondage until they begin to set others free and worry about their neighbors freedom more than their own.

    @ nomad. I never used the words Christian nor did the apostles or Jesus. It was a name given to followers and used in reproach as a slander. But I will tell you nomad, only people who believe on His name (character) will be set free because only those peoples will understand that they must care for one another through charity and not by forcing their neighbor (current system). They were actually praised for being a republic in the heart of a failing roman empire by an author. I cant remember the book offhand but am willing to provide for it should you ask.

    The evidence is in folks….what you donate cannot be taxed. If everybody took care of each other the way the Bible says to you would not be in bondage now. If you begin to gather together and learn how to be the welfare for one another you will surely be set free. Until then trying on your own steam to mitigate the damage in their courts….have at it. Sometimes they let you win other times they do not, on and on…

  55. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Moron wrote:
    “If everybody took care of each other the way the Bible says to[…]”

    I’m done here.

  56. nomad Says:

    damon, Christian is a fine term for a follower of Jesus Christ of which I am blessed to be one, and which you also seem to be one. I agree with your views stated here, at least the ones I have read, but what I would like to know from you is how you see voluntaryism working for unbelievers, if at all.

  57. NonEntity Says:

    Habby sed, “I’m done here.” — that’ll be the day! You live for this shit.

  58. damon Says:

    @ Habenae,

    Again, this is the reason you will stay in your bondage. The character of Christ is what I am saying we all need, to be free.

    Your current system upsets you, correct? You are compelled to contribute to your neighbors welfare through their election of authoritarian benefactors. If you would gather together and contribute to your neighbors welfare through your SACRIFICE or worded another way;

    You charity/donations/free will offerings,

    You would see miracles happen and your freedom would not be far behind. BUT, because people do not want to be responsible for the welfare of their neighbor and “do unto them as they would have done unto themselves” they are ruled by tyrants. This is biblical man.

    You can “be done all you want”, but they aren’t done with you and your compulsory sacrifice/tribute.

    Pro 12:24  The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

    we are going to have to take a look at ourselves and realize that we have been the problem and quit blaming everybody else.

    @ Nomad,

    “voluntarism” usually does not work for unbelievers. they usually end up right in there current state. then the Spirit moves again trying to wake people up from their bondage, showing them the way out. I am here writing all the time about the only way to a true voluntary society and how it can possibly work and none hear it.

    The only way it will work and keep you free is ALL social welfare has to come through charity. This means you will have to elect people you trust with what you donate. But your election is not like they do now, it is between you and your “minister” (the one you chose to handle your contribution). This was called a Levite in old times. Usually the Levite would “minister” or worded differently SERVE 10 families. The ten families was a tithe. A tithe is 1/10. The Levite would also have a minister or one that he chose to handle his sacrifice/tithe/tribute. It is a tightly knit network of free assemblies, everyone caring for one another through charity bound by faith, hope and love under the perfect law of liberty instead of force, fraud, and fear bound under those that seek power.

    The difference is you get to choose WHEN to give and HOW MUCH instead of the tyrants doing it for you.

  59. Boxer Says:

    @demon

    “No one forces you to pay them anything.”

    Except that I have audio and video evidence proving that they are forcing me. A lady dba government told me ‘yes you are forced to pay’. The moment I asked her if I acted in the same manner if she would consider me a criminal she called the entire on duty mercenary squad (police). When peeps show you who they are, believe them.

  60. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Only if you get him on the forum, NonEntity.

  61. damon Says:

    your compelled to keep your agreements. you think all of them are aware of the fine points of the law? granted many are ignorant of it. like when marc calls up ignorant agents who act as “buffers” between him and the ones who really know what’s going on.

    they had no jurisdiction over my wife yet they held her for 13 days. they never charged her, never put her in front of a magistrate, and she was interviewed by an FBI joint terrorism task force agent whom also found no fault with her. they let her go and now deny ever holding her at all. they are only supposed to hold you for three days , if they do not charge you then they are supposed to let you go.

    most people however do not carry the status that my wife did at that time. most fall under parans patrae. they have given up their rights in lieu of benefits and privileges. if you have and use the benefits they have no reason to think that you do not owe the tax. just like if you have a license they have no reason not to believe you are resident (jurisdiction).

    again, if you want your freedom you will have to learn to care for one another through charity. take back your responsibilities over your neighbor and quit asking the government to do it for you. that’s what people will hve to do. they will have to sacrifice for one another.

  62. spooky2th Says:

    See how damon, just keeps on spouting all these ridiculous claims, assertions, arguments and on & on. He will not and probably cannot prove anything he says, which shows total dishonesty. Too many double standards stupid beliefs mixing up his head too. Not a thing coming from him can help anybody here in a court case.

    If payments and goods & services are forced through the barrel of a gun, they are nothing less than a criminal mafia.

  63. NonEntity Says:

    I’m trying to picture a doctor being forced thru the barrel of a gun. Sounds painful. But it might just be a solution to the current A.M.A. criminal cartel. We should work on this! 🙂 A large hydraulic press and a sturdy funnel… anyone have other ideas?

  64. Boxer Says:

    @demon

    “they had no jurisdiction over my wife yet they held her for 13 days. they never charged her, never put her in front of a magistrate, and she was interviewed by an FBI joint terrorism task force agent whom also found no fault with her. they let her go and now deny ever holding her at all. they are only supposed to hold you for three days , if they do not charge you then they are supposed to let you go. ”

    So basically your wife took the benefit of free housing so she was subject to their jurisdiction, right?

  65. dan Says:

    Great start NonE! But I think the machine should be tooled to accommodate lawyers.

  66. damon Says:

    @ boxer,

    No they had no jurisdiction, my wife had no active agreements with them. Out of pride they broke their own “laws”.

    We go back to the restaurant. You have active agreements in place. If you do not want to pay for the benefits, quit using them.

    @ spooky,

    Like I have told you before, you are only interested in sill court cases in THIER court rooms. Where if you file and appeal to THEIR law for remedy you provide the with jurisdiction.

    You also completely disregard what I keep repeating,

    if you want to be free you have to first free others of your covetous appetite. Quit taking benefits and seek to be the welfare for others. The only way you will be free is to have a system of social welfare that is based on charity instead of compelled offerings. The reason you ignore this is because you have no interest in sacrificing for your neighbor at all. That is why you must keep attempting to slander me with insults and name calling. That’s all fine but it will not change what I say or the truth of it.

    YOU CANNOT TAX WHAT IS GIVEN FREELY! If you folks would worry less about the stupid courts and put that energy into caring for one another through charity you would be a lot farther along. Clearly your interest does not lie with providing for your neighbor, but is aimed at still being able to take and then complain for having to pay in.

    and again spooky, you will remain in your bondage.

  67. NonEntity Says:

    Dan, for lawyers you just use a smaller caliber gun. A pellet gun might be appropriate, for instance. The scum factor should compensate for the smaller diameter and keep everything in balance.

  68. NonEntity Says:

    Demon sed, “The reason you ignore this is because you have no interest in sacrificing for your neighbor at all.” — have I mentioned your an arrogant asshole? I’m case I failed to mention it,you’re an arrogant asshole.

  69. spooky2th Says:

    damon said to me: “You also completely disregard what I keep repeating,”

    This is because you never have anything rational to say. All you ever have is more assumptions, presumptions, arguments, stupid beliefs and on & on.

    I will never understand someone like you that keeps making up excuses for blatant govt criminality all the time, especially after what you say they did to your wife. You also blame everybody else, but never blame the ones that are really criminally responsible, the men & women doing business as the govt corporation.

  70. damon Says:

    I am not making excuses for them spooky but repeatedly show you why it is the way it is and what needs to be done if you really want to see a positive change.

    If you do not want them to have jurisdiction, quit using their benefits.

    @ non, just telling you the way it is non. You cannot take from them and expect not to pay in. You want to be free you have to set others free and quit taking from those you claim are criminals. If they are criminals and you take benefits from them what does that make you? An accessory after the fact just like if you buy stolen property knowing it is stolen, so again we end up with hypocrisy.

    The problem is they are the only ones doing what you and I and spooky and marc are supposed to be doing for each other and our neighbor. That is, caring for the poor, orphans and widows. The problem is they take from your substance to do it and you are compelled because your neighbor demands they take from you for their welfare. There is nothing “arrogant” about this as you claim but a shot of truth “straight up” with no chaser. People do not like it because it forces them to look at themselves and realize they are the problem in asking government to take from their neighbor and they are in fact the covetous ones.

  71. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    What is damon’s purpose here?

  72. NonEntity Says:

    Oddly enuf, I find the demon’s posts just about the same in tone and methodology as the posts you (Habby) made with that cretin that Marc finally ended up banning because you and he would not stop the circular talking-past-each-other rants… you know the time when I finally just put you on ignore. So when you listen to demon just try and see if you can see yourself in there just a little bit. You claimed to have a point. So does demon.

  73. spooky2th Says:

    Non & Hab,
    damon, doesn’t have a point. If he was a lawyer in court, he’d be constantly committing judicial misconduct. Claims, assertions and arguments with no facts to back them up.

  74. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    With 19 of 73 posts (26%) I am now wondering what is NonEntity’s purpose here?

  75. NonEntity Says:

    Good point, Habby. Have you also considered measuring by volume? Or uniqueitudity? Or NonBaseless insertions? 🙂

  76. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Hmm. Now that’s a thought… Measure by volume. How loud were you and damon typing?

    If I measure by NonBaseless insertions I would call it a tie. You’ve not really inserted ANY assertions here and damon has only inserted BASEless assertions.

    Damon is as responsive to questions as all the COS clips of bureaucrats answering Marc’s questions.

  77. damon Says:

    Not baseless.

    They have jurisdiction because you have open agreements with them. Do not want them to have jurisdiction then get rid of all the benefits. until you can do this they have you. Just like if yo u go eat at the diner …you owe the bill.

    My purpose is to get you to open your eyes. You guys complain about them forcing you to keep your agreements you have with them through the acceptance of the benefits. You complain about paying what you actually own then try to blame them for your own ignorance of the law.

    It should be readily understandable that if you have benefits then you must pay for them. The social security card is the VOLUNTARY gateway into their income tax scheme. Don’t want to pay “your fair share” then get rid of it and stop using it and close all your bank accounts and everything else associated with the number.

    Its your own fault…not theirs…you let yourself be deceived.

  78. damon Says:

    Its your own fault they have jurisdiction over you. If you do not like it then get rid of the social. It is the voluntary gateway into the income tax scheme.

    They have forms you can fill out to change the status of the number to a non resident. They bury them deep in the operations manual. Stop asking them for things. Stop using the number and all benefits associated with its use. Then they CANNOT tax you.

  79. NonEntity Says:

    This just gets better and better! Demon sez,”They have forms you can fill out…Stop asking them for things.” — Does one have to ask for these forms allowing I’ve to prostate one’s self in supplication as a demonstration of one’s freedom, independence and personal autonomy? Just asking? 😀

  80. NonEntity Says:

    For anyone new to demon’s tactics they appear to be a parroty of an actual Socratic inquiry (he sez, typing very softly.)

  81. damon Says:

    these are basic fundamentals of law…if you accept the benefit you must also bear the burden. I do not understand why this still acquires slander from my fans here.

    Until YOU change nothing will change. Keep using their benefits while claiming they are thieves then you are a thief too. You claim they steal and force you and plunder you, then probably turn and ask them for things that come from what they plundered from your neighbor.

    I do not advocate filling out their forms but was simply pointing to the fact that they have a form specifically for the change of the status of a social security card holder that they HIDE deep within the operations manual. But good try non.

    Juts trying to derail me does not change your very real bondage. They own you mate, and you do not hear the way out. The only way is a system of social welfare based on charity. This aint gonna change.

  82. NonEntity Says:

    Demon sez that the only way to a voluntary society is voluntary actions. Jesus H. Christ why does he have have to be so verbose?

  83. damon Says:

    still does not change the fact you are in bondage to authoritarian benefactors because of covetous practices.

    The only way to liberty is a system of social welfare based solely on charity. This is what I have said.

    This will take sacrifice. This will take a diligent minority as it has never been for the majority because the majority usually opts for the totalitarian governments, which for a time seem to be easier until they take and take and take and the people begin to cry out for reason of their bondage and the tribute they are under.

    I have also advocated that to be free one must set others free. This means not taking from the very authoritarians you claim are thieves lest you become a thief as well and covet your neighbors goods seeing as that is where the plunder comes from.

    How can I expect to be free and cry out for a “voluntary system” if I turn and take from the authoritarians that plundered it from you? That is like telling people not steal while I go out and steal. That is the same as me taking it except I’m to chicken %^#$%# to do it myself so I ask the authoritarians to do it for me. One cannot simultaneously confirm and then deny.

    And it still remains that no one forces you to pay in. You have a membership card that you refuse to let go of (the narrow path too hard?). Don’t want to owe? Stop dining at the place and eating from the hands of rulers…

    that is why you are warned all throughout the Bible with things reading like this:

    Pro 23:1  When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:
    Pro 23:2  And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.
    Pro 23:3  Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

  84. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon baselessly asserted:
    “They have jurisdiction because you have open agreements with them.”

    Baseless – having no basis in reason or fact.

    Damon, please present the basis supporting the alleged truth of your claim.

  85. spooky2th Says:

    It is kind of funny how damon, keeps rambling irrationally on & on here. Ask him to prove anything and he just keeps on spouting more claims, assertions, arguments, more irrationality.

    And it sure isn’t the victim’s fault when a mafia criminally rules over an area with their bogus, unprovable territorial jurisdiction or any other imaginary jurisdiction.

  86. NonEntity Says:

    Nope. The bible didn’t tell me any of that. Fortunately I was not steeped in the hatred of religion.

  87. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Thus I will focus one baseless assertion at a time.

  88. NonEntity Says:

    Oh goody. Another person who is incapable of reason with whom you plan to engage in an interminable diatribe of proofs. Can you FEEL my excitement?

  89. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    So if damon is not capable of reason, why are YOU engaging with him?

  90. NonEntity Says:

    I’m not engaging with him. I’m poking at the clown to see if he’s capable of standing in two feet without leaning on his dogma. You don’t seriously think one can “engage,” do you? Hah!!!

  91. NonEntity Says:

    It appears that you (Habby) believe you can pound reason into a brick wall. What confounds me is why you want to try to engage with someone who clearly believes he has the truth and that there is nothing he is capable of learning or growing from. (Guess I should be lookin’in the mirror more, huh eYe? 🙂 ) Poke poke poke salad Annie.

  92. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Well in that case…
    We can just converse about him like he’s not here.

    When his god was passing out brains, damon thought he said trains and damon didn’t want to go anywhere so he hid from god like that atom guy was alleged to have done.

    So while he may be here online, his god still has his brains, so they aren’t here.

  93. NonEntity Says:

    Yep. Atom and Molly Cuel. Founders of Apple Records.

  94. damon Says:

    @ hab,

    Chances are your parents and their parents before them have failed to read the accompanying legislation related to the use of social security cards and the taxes involved with their use.

    There is a whole list of stuff one gives up in return for the use of said card. One becomes eligible for benefits in a religious system of social welfare. One also agrees to pay in to this corvee system of statutory bondage.

    You fellas are the first I have came across that mocks charity. I am sad for you that you cannot even see that what is given freely cannot be taxed….not even by the overlords you claim steal. Even they know. Even the ones you hate so much know…..they cannot tax what you give out of charity. Amazing. If people did like Moses did in the wilderness and had a system of social welfare based on SACRIFICE/CHARITY/DONATIONS there would be no compelled offerings. It should be obvious to you here. It is the very purpose of life mate.

    2Co_9:7  Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

    I am unaware of why one would be made fun of for trying to explain that the only way to true liberty is if the system of social welfare is based only on charity? You guys actually mock this if you pay attention to what you are saying. I AM made aware of the total hypocrisy on a people who complain about their bondage and claim thieves steal from them , and then turn and take benefits from the same ones they claim do the stealing. This is hypocrisy from a blind people, wouldn’t you agree? If I claim they stole from me and then turn and seek benefits from them, I would be a hypocrite, right? If I claim they stole from my neighbor and I seek a financial benefit from them does that make me a thief as well? Sure would.

    You cannot take and use and not expect to pay in lest you are more covetous than the ones who do pay in without complaining. No more than you can go into a diner and eat a meal and expect not to be liable for a bill.

    Nothing irrational about a system of social welfare that operates soley on charity spooky. Nothing at all. There has to be a means (daily ministration) to care for the widows and orphans, sick and the lame and the homeless. Without a means in your “voluntary system” to care for the poor it would not be voluntary for very long. Hell, even when they do get cared for people still return to their bondage by reason of their covetous nature.

    So mock all you want. Nothing changes until you do. You are still enslaved in a system of religion called socialism. This is a system where people elect authoritarian benefactors to compel sacrifices from their neighbor at their neighbors expense. Your parents sought benefits at your neighbors expense and so did their parents before them. They also sold you into bondage into bondage into a system of statutory labor. They get your “first fruits”. These systems are in place over a non believing and covetous people. They Bible continually tells you;

    1Sa_8:18  And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

    So , how do you get to that system of charity from where you are now? Do you have the character of Christ? To care for your neighbor through charity? Just complaining about your bondage bitterly will not set you free, you neither marc. Nor you spooky or the rest. Going to have to sacrifice for your neighbor and set them free. quit taking from those “thieves”.

  95. NonEntity Says:

    Wind him up and of he goes…

  96. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    OBJECTION!
    Witness is unresponsive to the question asked.

    If the court does not object, I will now proceed as if the witness is a dumb ass.

    In your earlier testimony you asserted:
    “They have jurisdiction because you have open agreements with them.”

    Please provide your evidence that I, Habenae Est Dominatus, have “open agreements” with “them.”

  97. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonEntity,
    It’s not that I “live for this shit”.

    It’s that people this deliberately stupid
    are like gnats on a hot summer eve.

    Even when one wants to ignore the gnats,
    one just can’t help oneself,
    and ends up swiping at the gnats anyway.

  98. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    In the article, Marc explained:
    “The prosecutor claims you can’t explain the law’s application without referring to the law itself. This is another example of circular logic, the laws apply because they say so.”

    Prosecutor,

    What evidence do you have that proves the law that claims it applies, can apply, so that the claimed command that it applies can actually apply.

  99. damon Says:

    You sound like spooky now which just parrots marc’s statements.

    Your agreements are your use of the social security card, status you claim and all the other benefits you sign up for usually under penalties of perjury. So your a liar and a thief? You claim to be things and you also have and use things that do not belong to you but are in fact and in deed property of the U.S. government. There are stipulations laid out which is PUBLIC DOMAIN to what one gives up and must pay for the use of said benefits.

    You have provided all the evidence. Do you have children in public schools because you gave up the responsibility to train them up yourself? Then pay your property taxes. Do you use a drivers license to identify as one of them and use it to simplify your life? I could go on and on. You are either wholly inept or you just want to argue to argue. The latter is what I presume.

    Contract makes the law, ever heard of that? Means to use their benefits you agree to the terms they have laid out.

  100. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,

    In your earlier testimony you asserted:
    “They have jurisdiction because you have open agreements with them.”

    Please provide your evidence that I, Habenae Est Dominatus, have “open agreements” with “them.”

  101. NonEntity Says:

    Well we don’t have to worry about where Habby will be for the next several months, do we?

  102. damon Says:

    It is most likely you have and use a social, claim citizenship and residence within their jurisdiction. It is also very likely that you claim some benefits is some way shape or from. IF, I repeat IF you do these things then they most assuredly have jurisdiction over you and your “person”. Jurisdiction that you most likely continue to give.

    I do not have to provide evidence, I am telling you, repeatedly, how they acquire the jurisdiction over you.

    So,

    Admit you have and use a social security card and corresponding number which states very plainly on the back of the card,

    “This is the property of the Social Security Administration and you must return it to us if we ask for it”

    Admit you claim U.S. citizenship.

    Admit you (whoever you are minus your pseudonym) Have and use a driver license.

    Admit you claim to be a resident within a “STATE”.

    Admit you send your children to public schools (should you have children).

    Admit you have taken unemployment benefits at some point in your life.

    Admit you have taken Medicare/Medicaid at some point in your life?

    Admit the government has financed you in some way shape or form.

    Admit you receive FDIC from whichever place you do your banking at. (they have covered all their bases well haven’t they?)

    I could fill up several pages of the large plethora of benefits they offer…because they know it renders servitude to those accepting.

    Being familiar with law I presume you are familiar with a well settled rule in pleading;

    “he who does not deny admits and he who is silent appears to consent”

    Your silence to these questions without explained denial will result in your admission and agreement to them.

    Do any of you disagree that to be free one must set others free? Do you also agree that the only way to care for a people and ensure liberty is to have a system of social welfare based on charity? If not I would like to hear what you have to offer to care for your neighbor because lone wolves never last and are usually devoured by the pack or fall back into line, eh?

    the usual time is 10 days to respond.

  103. NonEntity Says:

    “social” is an adjective. How can one have an adjective? Inquiring mindz want to no. — “he who does not deny admits and he who is silent appears to consent” is very similar to the line a psychopath used on me years ago, “You’re either with me or against me.” I was actually neither, but… well, when everything in the world is centered around you it’s hard to grasp such a concept.

  104. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,

    The burden of proof is always on the one making the claim.
    Any claim, without proof or evidence, is by definition, BASELESS.

    You baselessly asserted:
    “They have jurisdiction because you have open agreements with them.”

    I have twice asked you, ‘Please provide your evidence that I, Habenae Est Dominatus, have “open agreements” with “them”.’

    Anybody reading these comments can see in the record that you have twice FAILED to provide the evidence asked for. Anybody reading these comments can see you have FAILED to carry YOUR burden of proof.

    In an attempt to avoid YOUR burden of proof, you post your assumptions as if they are proof. You do this hoping nobody will call you on the fact that assumptions and other imaginary things are not evidence or proof.

    You posted your assumption: “It is most likely you have and use a social, claim citizenship and residence within their jurisdiction.” The reality is that this is just another baseless assertion posted by you.

    Please provide your proof that I, Habenae Est Dominatus, “have and use a social, claim citizenship and residence within their jurisdiction.”

  105. damon Says:

    After reading through your reply I have noticed you did not deny which means at present you are in agreement with me.

    All that I have written has followed along these lines that,

    IF (key word there) you take benefits (which you most likely do) then they have jurisdiction. There are some very basic fundamentals of law that a few of you here refuse to acknowledge with regards to being able to take something and be liable. Not acknowledging doesn’t it mean it simply isn’t there.

    I have told you, don’t like paying taxes? then rid yourself of the number and get rid of all property that you associated it with (donated to a public use which is why they can seize it)and quit filling out tax forms and claiming a status they write rules for…What’s so hard about this to understand?

    please respond with an admit or deny within 10 days or you will be found to agree with each admission as stated earlier.

    he who doe not deny admits

    He who is silent appears to consent

  106. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,

    It is NOT my burden to deny your claim. It is YOUR burden to prove YOUR claim.

    Your pathetic attempt to change the subject will not relieve you of your burden.

    Please provide your evidence that I, Habenae Est Dominatus, have “open agreements” with “them.”

    Please provide your proof that I, Habenae Est Dominatus, “have and use a social, claim citizenship and residence within their jurisdiction.”

  107. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonEntity,

    Do you think he’s incapable of reason because he’s stupid, has Organic Brain Injury, thinks nobody will notice his lack of reasoning skills, or thinks people outside his hypocristian sect reason like those within his sect?

  108. damon Says:

    round and round we go..

    If you were honest here you would be able to admit the things.

    I often used If you use the benefits , which is most likely. I doubt your drivers license is written in an all caps version of your pseudonym used here.

    Admissions still pending and we are still found to agree. That is the point of the admission, to remove controversy. So that my “claims” will stand as admission because of your failure to deny. We already know that many here advocate the taking from the ones they claim are thieves. So I do not expect honest answers from among you. I do expect more slanders referencing brain injuries… but I would seriously question some of the misunderstandings of some very basic principles of law that some here are notorious for “skirting around”.

    If you go into a diner and eat, you are liable. If you have and use a social security card which is property of the U.S. government…..unfortunately for you, you stand liable. Now…how many here actively use a socialist insecurity card.

    I also noticed no one disagreed with my assertions on how a system of social welfare should work, which is by charity alone. That is what you guys should be putting your energy into. And unless and until you will do that I can remain with my “brain injury” and non and spooky and marc and hab can remain in their bondage and boast their pride on these forums.

  109. spooky2th Says:

    Habe,

    Here and in other threads, I have asked damon, to prove jurisdiction and other BS he spouts so many times that I have lost count. He never does but always spouts more claims, assumptions, arguments and such. Guess he doesn’t realize that he makes him self more ridiculous with each post of his.

    He’s more dishonest than most lawyers which in my opinions is hard to be.

    Can anybody even prove that jurisdiction is a real thing to begin with? Imaginary trickery — mind control at best, I would say.

  110. NonEntity Says:

    Don’t know. Don’t care. My experience leads me to the conclusion that most people are incapable of rational thought. You, on the other hand, appear to believe the opposite. This lends credence (if not clearwater) to my supposition.

    (No Fogartys were harmed in the construction of this post.)

  111. damon Says:

    if you go into a diner…you stand liable..

    if you refuse to pay then they have every right to take you and either make you pay or you would have to work off your debt. Same with the use of the social security card. You want to use it and NOT pay is what I gather then try to claim they are thieves for compelling payment for use of their property. You guys are a riot.

    and you claim I am having irrational thought?

    does irrational thought include a system of social welfare that is based on charity?

    Admissions still pending as they were directed towards all.

  112. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,

    It is NOT my burden to deny your claim. It is YOUR burden to prove YOUR claim.

  113. spooky2th Says:

    People voluntarily go into a restaurant and voluntarily contract with with the owners/operators of the restaurant for the food & services, you dummy.

    Get a dictionary and look up “voluntary.” “Voluntary,” is not what govt is about at all.

    Prove what you say, damon! Can you prove the imaginary jurisdiction that you argue that govt has, is a real thing at all??? “Modern day slavery, fits the bill exactly!

    Say something rational for a change! Something with real facts that might explain any of the BS you say all the time.

  114. damon Says:

    you voluntarily use a social spooky….get rid of it if you do not want to pay. called VOLUNTARY SERVITUDE. your use of the social is voluntary….I keep telling you, and you keep ignoring that fact

    so I repeat…

    if you go into a diner…you stand liable..
    if you refuse to pay then they have every right to take you and either make you pay or you would have to work off your debt (jurisdiction). Same with the use of the social security card. You want to use it and NOT pay is what I gather from you then try to claim they are thieves for compelling payment for use of their property. You guys are a riot.

    I still see we are in agreement and have little in dispute. 9 days.

    there is no burden in admission or denial. it is easy to prove the claims as they are basic fundamentals of law.

    he who accepts the benefit must also bear the burden.

    [IF] you have and use benefits you must pay for them…simple as that. And I am almost certain you claim citizenship and use government property.

    This is why you will not just outright deny it. the lack of denial is trumped by something called estoppel. it is how one converses with a deaf mute so to speak.

  115. NonEntity Says:

    Habby sed, “I keep telling you, and you keep ignoring that fact

    so I repeat…”

  116. NonEntity Says:

    Oh, wait… that wasn’t Habby. Hmm. It looked like Habby. It tasted like Habby. It’s all so confusing. 😛

  117. NonEntity Says:

    I want to use a social spooky. Where can I get one? Are they expensive?

  118. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Either damon is or is not a stupid as he presents himself.
    If he is as stupid as he presents himself, then he’s just stupid.
    If he is not as stupid as he presents himself, I wonder what his covert agenda is.

    Does he mean to cast doubt on Marc’s methods?
    Is he a government apologist?
    Is he actually a hypochristian apologist as he has presented himself?

    I’m going to go read some intelligent writing now because what the alleged christian has posted is the ramblings of the insane.

    “Founded on April 30, 1966 c.e. by Anton Szandor LaVey, we are the first above-ground organization in history openly dedicated to the acceptance of Man’s true nature—that of a carnal beast, living in a cosmos that is indifferent to our existence.”
    http://www.churchofsatan.com/

  119. NonEntity Says:

    Great idea, Habby. I joined the Church of Satin right after The Moody Blues came out with that great song, Knights of White Satin. (never reading the end…)

  120. spooky2th Says:

    Comparing govt with a restaurant or a dinner is not a even a close comparison. I bet any child would be able do better with an apple to oranges comparison.

    And I repeat, there is nothing voluntary about govt. Obey and/or pay up or else!

    No one here agrees with you, damon. You will not prove any of your too many arguments, claims assertions, Mr baseless, factless arguer!

    You sure are funny to the one’s here, especially me! There’s a good reason that Marc’s tactics get’s upwards of around 70% of wins. And all around the world too! Make those lawyers prove everything they say and they, like you, cannot do it. They are totally dishonest, like you!

  121. NonEntity Says:

    Oh spooks, you probably don’t believe in virgins getting pregnant either. Spoil sport.

  122. spooky2th Says:

    I read about one that claimed to get pregnant from swimming in a swimming pool.

  123. NonEntity Says:

    It’s a well known fact that chlorine turns sperm into Olympic level swimmers, so I’m not surprised.

  124. NonEntity Says:

    (Since this thread is all about discussing well known fax.)

  125. damon Says:

    Good to see we are still in agreement. Working towards 8 days.

    Spooky. Stop using the number on tax forms and filling out tax forms altogether. they tax privileged activities one carries on with them.

    100% voluntary.

    If you don’t agree then feel free to deny what stand as admissions above spooky. Most lawyers are not good lawyers. And good lawyers wont let the cat out of the bag. You will be hard pressed to find a lawyer telling you what I am telling you here.

    you have a card that is property of the U.S. government do you not? Guess what…you have to pay for the use of it. plain and simple spooky. so yes it is just like a diner. Why keep things that belong to psychopaths and thieves? No one forces you to use a number.

    Any thoughts on how you will care for one another when no one pays taxes and your “unrighteous mammon” no longer cares for the poor? How you will care for one another when that system fails…which it will.

    by the way marcs tactics may “win” in traffic court with that % but I gather tax court is another monster. And does he really “win” if they leave court still in shackles and bondage and under tribute?

    See the issue is caring for one another out of charity. 100% non taxable. Only way to a “voluntary society”.

    I also disagree with you spooky that I am being dishonest. I have actually been completely honest with you here. The dishonesty comes from ones who want to take benefits from ones they claim are thieves making themselves hypocrites and thieves themselves.

  126. nomad Says:

    damon, two questions: Are you part of a community of like-minded? Do you reside in SoCal?

  127. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Put this in the .htaccess file in the main site directory.

    order allow,deny
    deny from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
    allow from all

    Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is damon’s IP address. He won’t be able access the site at all.

  128. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonEntity wrote:
    “Oh spooks, you probably don’t believe in virgins getting pregnant either. Spoil sport.”

    Reminds me, I heard damon’s boyfriend thought he was pregnant…

    But they found out that it was only the mumps.

  129. NonEntity Says:

    Homophobic jokes? That’s just tacky, Habby.

  130. Andy Says:

    Yes NonEntity, your “question” is “just tacky”.

  131. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    “Homophobic jokes? That’s just tacky, Habby.”

    Actually NonE, it was a hypochristian joke.
    Besides, to be homophobic doesn’t one need to be afraid of homosexuals?

    Wait! Maybe you’re correct…

    I’d be afraid to pick up soap dropped in a shower if damon is nearby.

    The rest of H.Sexualalis I’ve observed have always been fashionably dressed and well mannered.

    I can’t vouch for damon’s fashion sense, but I can certainly attest to his lack of manners and inability to have reasoned discourse.

  132. NonEntity Says:

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hypochristian

  133. NonEntity Says:

    hypo- or hyp-
    pref.
    1. Below; beneath; under: hypodermic.
    2. Less than normal; deficient: hypoesthesia.
    3. In the lowest state of oxidation: hypoxanthine.
    [Greek hupo-, from hupo, under, beneath; see upo in Indo-European roots.]

  134. spooky2th Says:

    No Rational Basis For Applicability of Laws – Interview with Law Professor – [UPDATE: AUDIO]

    He also stated it was “a blunt assertion of power.”

    http://marcstevens.net/articles/no-rational-basis-for-applicability-of-laws-interview-with-law-professor.html

    An obvious moron said, “I have actually been completely honest with you here.”

    Someone honest would not keep blathering about jurisdiction and making up all kinds of not provable excuses for the criminals calling them selves govt. Someone honest would have admitted long ago like this law professor and a very few lawyers that there is no jurisdiction. The “facts” that you cannot see it, feel it, smell it, hear it or taste it would make anybody with brain realize that it is not real to begin with.

  135. spooky2th Says:

    Hanbe,

    You nailed it here: “I can’t vouch for damon’s fashion sense, but I can certainly attest to his lack of manners and inability to have reasoned discourse.”

    Dishonesty like lawyers & politicians, causes this. I think he is probably a troll here.

  136. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    But, A troll’s purpose is to just get his jollies by being annoying.

    Damon, though he is annoying, seems to think his proselytizing here is going to change somebody’s mind.

    He’s here to preach the Gospel of how his methods work better than Marc’s…

    Or he’s trying to poison the well for newcomers to MarcStevens.net.

  137. NonEntity Says:

    Witch brings me to a topic I’ve been pondering. I look at my behavior here and see that it appears to be somewhat congruent with the definitions of trolling. And yet my purpose is not to cause disruption for the sake of disruption or for personal aggrandizement, but rather to poke holes in the balloons of dishonest or self important fools. I don’t think of this as trolling, but rather of doing a public service while at the same time having some fun, attempting to provide some levity in a way-to-serious world and venue, and to perhaps provide a stimulus to others to examine the issues from more than one point of view. Or am I just blowing smoke up my ass and really just being a troll?

  138. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Don’t worry about it NonE.
    You’re our troll.

    While I may not respect you as I once did,
    I still respect you more than I respect damon.

    You post many things that I find of value.
    And you sometimes post things that I find a bit nasty.

    Regardless, your intent is to discover and show truth.
    Something I see damon is NOT about.

  139. NonEntity Says:

    “I still respect you more than I respect damon.”
    Wow. Speak of being a bit nasty! (LOL)

  140. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Regardless, your intent is to discover and show truth.

  141. damon Says:

    @ nomad

    there are like minded people who are actually attempting to be the welfare for one another. It is a network of people across America who understand that to be free one must set others free. This takes sacrifice. There are people at California who gather regularly in free assemblies. These are people who understand the importance of doing to others as they would have done to themselves. If you are interested in meeting with people who seek to be the charity for one another so that we do not have to go to the governments of men and the unrighteous mammon for our “daily bread” you are more than welcome to let me know.

    @ the rest,

    All the name calling in an attempt to derail me will not change your bondage (slavery) to a corvee system. No one seems to want to engage in any real convo at all, especially when we disagree on certain matters.

    You still seek to blame others for what is your own fault and your parents and their parents before them. Your slavery will not change until you decide to literally treat others as you want to be treated. That is you do not want to be compelled to contribute to another’s welfare…this will require that you do not compel others to contribute to yours. That means no Social security benefits, unemployment insurance, public schooling, medcaid, Obama care, and all the other stuff they offer that came from “taxpayers”.

    You all here, after all, claim they steal the tribute. So you already have some knowledge that it comes from your neighbor. So if you [do] take from them, you out of your own mouth, would be condemning yourself as a thief and a hypocrite. Do you take benefits from them that come at the expense of your neighbor? If you do you will need to stop figure out another way (maybe you guys can learn to help each other out),

    You say I am not about the truth hab , but it is exactly what I am “speaking” to you. Your refusal or inability to see this does not make it any less true.

    You cannot use property from the government and expect NOT to pay for it. It is simply obscured. It is even more obscured that people here will still use the property then turn and claim they are thieves for taking what is actually owed per the agreement for the use of said property. If you do not want to pay then stop using the dang property. Where is the lying here? Are your minds so perverted that you cannot even see the basics here? You think you can use others property and not have to pay for the use of it? Then when I bring this information to the “front lines” I am met with a lack of maturity which is why it results to name calling by those who can no longer defend their indefensible position of confusion.

    you do not get a “free ride” by using others property. you must pay for the use of it.

    we are still found to be in agreement with your admissions. Tacit procuration. Seven days.

    has anyone here at this forum thought of ways you will care for the sick and elderly when no one pays taxes? How will you organize it? Where will the funds come from to care for you parents in their old age if no one pays the tribute? I’m curious. You know current system will not continue as is without a “reset” which is a total economic collapse, then price controls, then empty shelves, then riots, then military and police forces then war. Millions will suffer terribly. How will you guys here care for one another when the trough is closed? I doubt you will be concerned about that silly court date and what ticket you are trying to get dismissed when the ones who no linger get their welfare checks at your expense come looking for blood. Id non going to have hab’s back? You guys going to lay your life down for one another protecting each others families and sharing your last piece of bread with one another? That the kind of character you guys are made of? You have to look at yourselves….quit wasting your time making fun of me. Look at your own self. Trouble is coming and you will remember what I have told you here.

  142. nomad Says:

    damon, I am interested to learn about this network. Please give me the info. Thanks.

  143. NonEntity Says:

    I’m reminded, when Demon goes into his “sacrifice” rants, about Ayn Rand’s discussion regarding the evils of sacrifice. When one does something out of love it is a benefit to both parties, there is no sacrifice when you do something out of love, out of a desire to uphold the values you most cherish. Sacrifice is when guilt is employed to cause one to do something which is against his interests and thus everyone loses. Acting with love does not involve sacrifice. Acting in support of your highest ideals is not sacrifice.

  144. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    He who makes the claim has the burden of proof.
    Damon has made several claims.
    I chose one and asked damon to provide proof.
    Damon has refused, proving that Damon doesn’t even understand rudimentary logic.
    His writing is a fascinating look into the mind of someone who is non compos mentis.

  145. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon blathered:
    “No one seems to want to engage in any real convo at all,”

    Translation:
    “No one seems to want to accept my baseless assertions.”

  146. NonEntity Says:

    Slow learner are we, Habby?

  147. Ronnie Says:

    Damon=nomad
    Anyone else catch this?

  148. NonEntity Says:

    Back in the 70s it was not uncommon to see people walking around in New York City talking to themselves,having completely incoherent conversations with imaginary others. It was pretty obvious to most New Yorkers that these people were not right in the head. It was equally obvious that it also would be insane to attempt a conversation with these people. Someone is quoted as saying that the (a?) definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. So I think I’ve just proven that I’m insane by trying to talk Habby into being rational. Please just let me be. Let me alone in my twisted little world. Don’t put me in a padded cell. I’m not a threat to anyone.

  149. NonEntity Says:

    Nope. Good catch!

  150. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonE, I’ll have you know I only requested proof of one of damon’s baseless assertions three times… Or was it only twice.

    I’m bored, so damon’s idiocy is entertaining until something better comes along to amuse me.

    The puzzle to be solved is to figure out his covert agenda.

    For instance,
    Does he work as Obama’s personal advisor?
    Is he posting here on Chelsea Clinton’s orders?
    Is he the pope? Is this why he uses the moniker “damon” as his nom de plume?

    The inferential logic suggests that him being a Jimmy John’s delivery driver can be crossed off the list. He’s a little slow on the uptake.

  151. NonEntity Says:

    Pope. I think heezthuh pope.

  152. damon Says:

    We are still in agreement it seems per your admissions. We are at 6 days that you have had opportunity to deny. Tacit procuration.

    You ask me to “prove” my claims. I keep telling you that if you use government property, social security cards, you have to pay for the use of them. The way people pay is through a income tax scheme. How do you think they track all of your transactions and statements….the stupid number man.

    If you have filled out tax form or got a passport or a drivers license…you claim a status under penalties of perjury. I do not need to “prove” this. Anyone can go look at a tax form…passport app…or drivers license app and see that they ask you to sign under penalties of perjury. Did you know that when you do that it constitutes TESTIMONY OF A WITNESS. Your witness to be more exact. I’m not in need to “prove” this to you. This is how they obtain control over your life mate. You VOLUNTARILY sign these things and bear witness against yourself. They will not issue socials unless you are statutory (federal) citizen or claim to be one or a “permanent resident” which is actually an alien.

    Are you asking me to prove that you have signed these things? Why not just be honest. Or you have opportunity to deny your admissions. But I am pretty confident that most folks here if not all have a bank account and file returns and use a their socialist insecurity number. If you have utilities in “your name”…they ask for a social. A hotel with a kitchenette is an option to circumvent this.

    You guys talk of logic and swell up with your intelligence, but do not seem to understand basic fundamentals of law or contract law. You have and use property that belongs to another. They have set out rules for the use of their property that has been made public domain for all to see (so they can maintain plausible deniability). Most to do not red it.
    To think you can continue to use property and not have to pay for it when it is specified one will pay for its use is closer to insanity then me repeating myself to you. It is plain childish, even more so that you blame them and accuse them of stealing when in fact it is you that is promoting the theft. You want to use something without paying for the use of it. Is that the character of a man? One that wants to use property of others without paying then turn and accuse them of force?

    Quit using others property and you will have no liability to pay for the use of it? How does this elude you? How? How is it your best response is insults?

    I am certain if you stop filling out tax forms and using their property (social seciruty card/number) the irs will vanish from your life.

  153. damon Says:

    @ nomad

    How do I contact you in a more private manner.

  154. NonEntity Says:

    Demon, have you considered prayer?

  155. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon ignorantly typed:
    “You ask me to “prove” my claims. I keep telling you that if you…”

    You have presented NO evidence of whether I did or whether I did not.

    Therefore you have presented NO evidence that I “have open agreements with them.”

    Doubling down on his ignorance, damon typed:
    “If you have filled out tax form or got a passport or a drivers license…you claim a status under penalties of perjury. I do not need to “prove” this.”

    Conjecture does not evidence make.
    Present your evidence that I claim any status under penalties of perjury.

    The great teacher damon pontificated from on high:
    “I am certain if you stop filling out tax forms and using their property (social seciruty card/number) the irs will vanish from your life.”

    Please present your evidence that you have vanquished the IRS from your life.

  156. NonEntity Says:

    Habby brilliantly enscribbled, “blah blah blah…” :-*

  157. NonEntity Says:

    Okay, so it was less than brilliant, to wit: “Present your evidence that I claim any status under penalties of perjury.” Is that 1),”Present, under penalties of perjury, your evidence that I claim any status,” or 2) “Present your evidence that I claim, under penalties of perjury, any status?” Please explicate in a less ignorant and ambiguous form, if you’d be so kind. 😛

  158. spooky2th Says:

    You realize that you are “forced” to sign papers to get a job or to drive and more, don’t you? It sure is not voluntary. For instance, people need to drive and if you drive with out a license, you could get arrested and/or worse.

    damon, is a liar and a troll. That’s my observation and I’m sticking with it.

  159. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Let’s eat grandma.

    Is it A or B? Yes.

    Damon, Present your evidence, under penalties of perjury, that I claim any status under penalties of perjury.

    Feel better now, NonE?

  160. NonEntity Says:

    Ahhhh! My job here is done. Life is good. Thanks to the won true god.

  161. damon Says:

    Presently you have not denied your admission which you still have ample time to do. 6 days still. Tacit procuration.

    It is most likely you have done these things so when they drag YOU to court they will not ask ME for evidence. They will simply look to the evidence YOU have already given them. If you do not use a social then simply deny that you do. If you do not use a drivers license then simply deny that you do. If you do not use their property then you will not stand liable for a tax or paying for the privilege of its use. But we all know here. I have walked that path with a wife and three children and it is not an easy one.

    You seek to blame them (like marc) unless you are marc. I can never tell with all the pseudonyms. You blame them and accuse them of stealing. Yet you have and use property that belongs to them that you will not admit too here but expect me to “prove” this. IF you use their property then yes you are liable for paying for it. Don’t want to be liable then stop using the property they own. Not so hard to grasp is it?

    Soon I will not have to “prove” anything as you silence will become you admission.

    They do not force me to sign anything. They can not do business with you if you do not sign sure but this does not equate to force spooky, you are most assuredly confused on this. I was not forced to sign anything and I was able to work just sign. I was also not liable for a tax. The correct form for those who are “not resident” is called aW8-BEN form. It is a “certificate of foreign status”. The “foreign status” is foreign with respect to the district of Columbia also called the “United States” in their internal revenue code. If we read a little into the operations manual we will find that one can actually make their own W8-Ben form (thereby removing the WORDS OF ART they are so fond of using). This form is for your “employer” only and is not to be sent to the IRS per the IRS’s own rules. it is also good for three years by that time you can just give your “employer” (word of art) another one. This can only be used however if you are not using a social which “non residents” cannot use anyways without breaking the law.

    There is an absolute means to not be liable for a tax that is completely LAWFUL but you cannot use their benefits or status. Actually a passport provides for “proof” to live and work in the “United STATES” and is the only thing “needed”.

    We were arrested for not having a license. My wife spent 13 days in their jail. They did not put my wife in front of their magistrate. They did not charge my wife…AFTER THIRTEEN DAYS of holding her. No license , no insurance, tags six years expired belonging to another car. They didn’t charge her? Why? Because they COULD’NT charger her. If they had jurisdiction they WOULD of charged her. Interviewed by an FBI agent who also inquired into not paying taxes to which she replied

    “well what does the scripture say? “Render unto Caesar the things that ae Caesars and to God the things that are God’s.

    He to found no fault with us.

    So please do not tell me about jurisdiction mate. We were not benefit recipients at that time.

  162. NonEntity Says:

    The trouble with the world
    is that the stupid are cocksure
    and the intelligent are full of doubt.
    — Bertrand Russell

  163. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    The logically challenged deluded dude opined:
    “It is most likely…”

    Conjecture does not evidence make.

    Dumbass BASELESSLY asserted:
    “the evidence YOU have already given them.”

    Prove it.

  164. damon Says:

    you can still deny at any time hab.

    They will be able to prove it in court where you will get dragged. They have your info which YOU gave. You cannot find holes in what I say even though you try hard to pretend too. Even if spooky and non and others promote your same confusion.

    They have you cause you use their stuff.

    Don’t want to be liable, stop using their property.. this should be simple enough.

  165. NonEntity Says:

    There is no their.

  166. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    http://marcstevens.net/articles/canadian-prosecutor-cannot-prove-constitution-applies.html#comment-175549

  167. NonEntity Says:

    Damn shame, I tell ya, damn shame. Habby’s gone and got hisself caught in wonna them endless loops again. Someone pull the plug and see if a total system reset will fix the problem. Elsewise we’d best do him a favor and put him outta his misery. Hate to see it, I tell ya. Hate to see it.

  168. damon Says:

    5 days

  169. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Five days until damon’s boyfriend is over the mumps?
    Five days until damon’s boyfriend can go down on him again?
    Five days until Horus returns?
    Five days until Dionysus returns?
    Five days until Mithra returns?
    Five days until Osiris returns?
    Five days until Jesus returns?
    Five days until damon is incarcerated for molesting young boys?

    Five days until damon reveals his latest delusion?
    I just can’t wait for some more BASELESS assertions from damon the deluded.

  170. spooky2th Says:

    damon, just keeps on talking from his “be-hind.” Or I probably should say “trolling” from his be-hind!

    Baseless damon, prove some of your endless claims, arguments, assumptions and on & on!

    People from other countries (some illegal aliens) do not have numbers but the mafia rounds them up and sticks it to them too.

  171. NonEntity Says:

    It’s interesting how “Christians” profess love and then use fear and guilt as motivational modalities as opposed to sharing love and ideas for self enrichment and communal enhancement. Demon whines and belittles Marc, Marc who works tirelessly to educate and empower people to regain and retain control over their lives and the lives of their loved ones. By his actions you shall know him. I treasure that Marc is in my world. I think that perhaps the best way of making a world worthy of passing on is to be a model of how that world will work. Just my thoughts at the moment.

  172. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Appreciate your thoughts NonEntity.
    Good commentary.

  173. damon Says:

    Five days until I ask again which will be a total of fourteen days.

    He who does not deny admits and he who silent appears to consent. It is about removing controversy. It is how one converses with a deaf mute or belligerent. It is called tacit procuration or estoppel.

    If you take benefits and use a social you are liable for a tax. No one forces you to use the number/card. Why you fellas insult me because of this is beyond me. Is that what one must resort too when they have nothing left except to cry for proof. You already gave it to them.

    Marc may work hard “educating” people but marc is in error. Marc claims they steel and you guys parrot him. If they steal and you take benefits from thieves that makes you a thief as well. This is called hypocrisy. Are you a hypocrite? Are you a thief?

    I think the name calling is a result of not wanting to look at yourself and realize you are partly to blame for the current state of affairs so you must of course blame me like you want to blame them. Again this is hypocrisy.

    Don’t want to pay a bill, don’t eat at the diner. Don’t want to be liable for a federal income tax? Stop using a social security card/number.

  174. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Baseless assertions:
    “It is called tacit procuration or estoppel.”
    “… cry for proof. You already gave it to them.”
    “marc is in error.”

  175. NonEntity Says:

    Damn shame.

  176. damon Says:

    its not baseless to pay for what you use. this is standard.

    why do you three believe you can use something without paying for it when there is a price for its use? that’s called stealing. are you a thief and a hypocrite?

  177. spooky2th Says:

    Being “forced” to pay for anything through the barrel of a gun is criminal (and nothing less) and is exactly what the mafia does! If I forced people to give me money, I would be arrested or maybe worse because the mafia does not like competition.

    Prove something, like any of the many claims, assertions, arguments and on & on that you constantly make up all the time and refuse to prove, govt apologist damon!

  178. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Baseless assumption:
    “you three believe you can use something without paying for it”

  179. Boxer Says:

    Demon

    We’ve been over this. You are an absolute hypocrite. You make baseless accusations that all these people “use” services or stuff provided by those dba “government” and yet when I point out that your wife used the “government’s” free housing, you deny it. How is that any different from the accusations you make against others?

  180. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Not only that, Boxer, using damon’s own metaphors…

    “You go in buy the meal and eat it and now complain they are forcing you to pay.”
    “Just like if yo u go eat at the diner …you owe the bill.”
    “Don’t want to pay a bill, don’t eat at the diner.”

    I didn’t go to the diner.
    I didn’t eat a meal.
    I am being forced to pay a portion of the total of the tab for all the meals eaten in that diner for a year, plus the tip (exorbitant administrative fee) added to the bill.

    And the bill I am forced to pay includes cost of all the gasoline pumped in a year at the gas station next door; includes all the doctor’s consultation fees next door; includes all the lawyer’s consultation fees across the street; and includes the builders fees for the new office structure being built.

  181. spooky2th Says:

    damon, is totally, incredibly vacuous…

  182. dan Says:

    I bet even NonE had to look that one up

  183. damon Says:

    boxer …pseudo after pseudo,

    No one force you to use a social security card spooky.

    “free housing” boxer? We refused all benefits all the way through. Do you refuse the benefits? or do you actively use a social to open bank accounts, mark your children with these numbers register your children with the state. No one forces you to do these things you do them out of ignorance and voluntarily on top of it. You know you can simply stop using their property right? Who forces you to use their social security cards?

    Quit using the card and corresponding number and quit filing tax forms and , like I said, the IRS will vanish from your life.

    You have still refused to deny using their property hab. You have not denied being or claiming a statutory “U.S.” citizenship. You have also not denied claiming residence (jurisdiction). Four days left until I have to ask again.

    How do you guys claim “citizenship” if you also claim it does not exist? There is a maxim of law that says

    “one cannot simultaneously confirm and deny”

    If you claim they are thieves and you use benefits granted by these thieves, what does that make you knowing the property is stolen? Your own words snare you and show the hypocrisy. Then you turn and say I am the hypocrite for pointing out marcs errors.

    We were persecuted because we chose not to use benefits boxer. And in true socialist form they want to throw you in a cage until they “know” you. That is the system you choose for yourself. The only way out of that system is when we learn to quit blaming others for our problems and take responsibility for our actions. People will have to learn to care for each other out of charity. It is the only alternative system of social welfare that works and keeps people at liberty.

    When you guys stop paying your tribute how will you care for one another in your “voluntary society”? No one ever answers this or even attempts too. Maybe the one you all look up to so much would care to take a shot at it. How will you care for the elderly (your parents) and the orphans and widows and poor when no one pays tribute.

    Perhaps we are “forced” to pay cause no one will do it otherwise. Perhaps we need to learn how to do it and no one will have to “make” you.

  184. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,

    You want denial?

    Okay.

    You are wrong.

    Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.

  185. zyrq Says:

    You guys got a lot of energy to spare 🙂
    After 4th-5th damon’s post I started to worry my brain cells would begin degrading so I had to skip almost all of them. Those I chose to read just reassured me to keep skipping
    So I’m sorry damon for not reading your gibberish in all of its entirety.
    Someone wake me up when his 5 year count down comes to an end.

  186. spooky2th Says:

    Every job I have had, I had to give my SS number. When I asked if I needed to give that number, I was told that I would not be hired if I didn’t! Forced to use that number to work. The US did a lot better for the people with freedom and liberty than this communist/fascist system ever did. The US colonies were doing so much better too with debt-free money, until they were forced by the Rothschild’s & King to use British debt-money.

    damon, you are wrong as usual. Millions have to give that number to work so they can feed them selves and their families!

    Like I said before, there are many that don’t have numbers and they are forced to pay and more too.

    damon, yur so dishonest and a large govt apologist at that. Completely vacuous!

  187. NonEntity Says:

    Vacuous? … Dan, look that up for me, willya?

  188. NonEntity Says:

    I think it is bovine in nature, but I cud be wrong.

  189. Boxer Says:

    Demon

    “We refused all benefits all the way through.”

    And yet your wife still received free housing from those DBA government.

    Hypocrite.

  190. Boxer Says:

    Demon

    I’m curious. How were you able to stop using “their” roads?

  191. NonEntity Says:

    Boxer, your question is quite rude. We don’t, we won’t, tolerate actual logical inquiry here. We want to engender a safe emotional environment for those of all intellectual abilities. Please be more considerate.

  192. damon Says:

    roads are paid for by a correct tax. It is called an indirect excise tax. When you buy gas you are taxed and the tax goes towards the maintenance of the roads.

    roads are not “owned” by government but are for all to use. They do not create roads but people are given responsibility to hire workers to maintain the roads. Make sense?

    They did however create the social security program, Boxer. And actually the use of it is ALSO an indirect excise tax and is 100% voluntary just like the gas tax is. Stop using it if you do not want to be “forced” to pay for the benefit of its use.

    Your really trying to reach with the free housing being on equal footing with being thrown in jail by socialists. Lets lay off some of the silliness already, like those ridiculous comments and name calling.

    We are gonna have to grow up and take responsibility for our actions.

    So if you claim they are thieves and you take benefits from them what does that make you?

    How will you guys care for the poor and elderly and lame and blind and handicap in your voluntary society? What will your system of social welfare look like and how will it keep people at liberty?

    Glad to see hab and I are still in agreement thus far and have little to no controversy.

  193. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Deluded dude damon wrote:
    “Glad to see hab and I are still in agreement thus far and have little to no controversy.”

    Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
    You are wrong.

  194. NonEntity Says:

    HabitzRhard2brake sed, blah blah qutidious blah.

    Dude! Wake the F up. Itz 2016. People speak ENGLISH!

  195. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    http://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Quod+gratis+asseritur%2C+gratis+negatur.

  196. NonEntity Says:

    HabitzRhard2brake sed, blah blah qutidious blah.

    Dude! Wake the F up. Itz 2016. People speak ENGLISH! …….. However Hitchens’s English rendering of the phrase has made it more widely known to the English-speaking audience.

    Sigh.

  197. NonEntity Says:

    At a certain point the church started giving sermons in the native language instead of Latin. Habby appears to still want to bamboozle his parishioners. And then hold them in contempt for their ig… nescience. You’re not diddling the little boys too,I hope. :-p

  198. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Some people use italics to emphasize things.
    Some people use Latin to emphasize things.

  199. NonEntity Says:

    Some people scream, some people punch others, some people walk of in a huff, some use shiny badges. Using a language that hasn’t been spoken in centuries seems like a really effective way of making your posts completely irrelevant. Come to think of it, that could be a good thing! 🙂 Now, are you diddling little boys?

  200. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Am I diddling you?, Little Non e.

  201. spooky2th Says:

    damon, is diddling every one here, that’s for sure! The simple fact is that govt is nothing but brute force! Everything is forced much like they force vaccines on children from birth on. There is only a tiny few that are able to escape the toxic vaccines.

    Govt is run by completely dishonest people with the moronic mindset as, damon’s. Psychopaths are more akin to chimpanzees that humans.

  202. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    “At a certain point the church started giving sermons in the native language instead of Latin. Habby appears to still want to bamboozle his parishioners.”

    The person who wrote the above quoted comments appears to be ig… nescient of the fact that in today’s world there is a plethora of high tech do dads.

    On screen, highlight the unknown phrase with a left press of the mouse button, right click the highlighted area, then select the “Search (your default search engine) for (the highlighted phrase).

    There are translation apps that literally speak the translated words. But I digress.

  203. NonEntity Says:

    YO! Digresious! Why’d you put that post in English? You could have proven the large size of your unit by posting in Klingon and filtering out those who don’t actually have lives from those who are interested in thoughtful human interaction on important matters.

  204. Boxer Says:

    @ NonE

    You brought up a good point – does it make sense to request that lawyers only speak in English when in “court”?

  205. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    @ Boxer

    You would have to make that request in Latin.

    Joking aside,
    Different trades have different languages.

    1. The chip is in latch – up.
    2. The input pin is floating.
    3. Take cover.
    4. Ten degrees right ascension.
    5. The Earth’s terminator is a clock for someone standing on the moon.
    6. He’s AWOL because he left before his ETS. His MOS is important for the mission.

    1,2. Electronics. The totem pole output transistors are both in an on condition at the same time. Totem pole output two transistors that connect the output pin to their respective supply rails. Supply rails, the 5 volt supply voltage or the common/ground.
    3. Military. Get your butts behind something substantive to stop the explosive fragment and bullets from puncturing your lovely skins.
    4. Astronomy. Where in the sky to look.
    5. Astronomy. The line of sunlight and shadow dark on a celestial non star body.
    6. Military. Absent With Out Leave. End Term of Service, your enlistment contract is expired. Military Occupation Specialty, your military job.

    @ NonE,

    My unit size is 1. All others are measured using my unit. John Holmes is 2.166 units. NonE is 0.5 units.

  206. NonEntity Says:

    Si, pero es un .5 magnifico!!!

  207. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Si tú lo dices

  208. NonEntity Says:

    There will be no dicing of my unit, thank you. It’s small enough as it is!

  209. damon Says:

    wrong is thinking one can take and use others property and not pay for the use of it. then turning and claiming they force you. so deluded.

    tacit procuration hab. you have not denied showing we are in agreement and have little in controversy.

    going to have to stop blaming them and realize its just you.

    still found wondering how your system of social welfare will work in the voluntary society? anyone?

  210. NonEntity Says:

    Okay,I propose a poll. Let’s take votes to see who the audience finds more obnoxious, me or demon. ( no voting for Habby as I want this to be a fair contest! 🙂 )

  211. Boxer Says:

    @Demon

    Said the guy who’s wife accepted free housing from those dba “government”.

    “they had no jurisdiction over my wife yet they held her for 13 days. they never charged her, never put her in front of a magistrate, and she was interviewed by an FBI joint terrorism task force agent whom also found no fault with her. they let her go and now deny ever holding her at all.”

  212. Boxer Says:

    @NonEntity

    What is the point of voting if we can’t force you to do something? Besides, it’s pretty apparent that no one could be as obnoxious as you, the grammar nazi.

  213. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Four Sixteenth cerebellum wrote:

    “you have not denied showing we are in agreement and have little in controversy.”

    Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
    What is asserted without proof can be denied without proof.
    Quarter brain is wrong.

  214. NonEntity Says:

    I’ll have you know that I have sixteen sixtyfourths mental capacity, obviously much greater than demon’s four, and I can confidently assert that I have a dog given right to other people’s money. There. Try and prove THAT wrong!

  215. damon Says:

    no one still has given any thought to how you all will care for each other when the unrighteous system fails and your parents social security runs out along with yours. How are you going to care and get care for your parents when the current system fails? Which it will fail as they all do when people attempt to compel offerings at their neighbors expense. What will you guys sacrifice for each other? No one forcing you to pay a dime…what will you give to help the needy? Who will give to help you in your time of need? What will be there? Anything at all? Because unless you guys are trying to figure out how your system of social welfare will work and do a whole lot less bitching and crying about the current monster your voluntary system will never be a reality and one of you will be able to partake in it unless you figure out a way to care for one another through a system of charity. All else breeds bondage as you see today. So…what cha ya gonna do? Call me more names and try to be cute and impress your digital buddies here while still remaining slaves and putting your energy into useless things like crying about government. Or you guys gonna man up and figure out what you will replace the current system with that doesn’t use “forced contributions”? How can you talk of voluntary societies when you guys don’t even know what one looks like or how to obtain it let alone keep it should it ever pass you by? I mean I am explaining to you how a system remains voluntary and you laugh at me. You guys are too much. See, you want to be “free” but none of you here are prepared to make the sacrifices necessary to free others. None of you here even get remotely close to talking about a “free people”. Voluntary society sounds good and you use those words a lot but it is very far from you.

  216. damon Says:

    I am pretty confident hab that you have and use a social and are/also claim to be a citizen and resident. Since you will not be honest I am forced to ask for you to either admit or deny to which you do neither. I also notice you quoting maxims of which some here absurdly deny are even law. Are you familiar with:

    “One who accepts the benefit must also bear the burden”

    Your proof maxim you confidently quote would fall on deaf ears as they will be looking directly at your bank statements from a bank account…opened with a social….that is connected to a card….that belongs to them….showing you are part of their religious system of social welfare.

    So again I ask,

    Admit you have and use a social security card and corresponding number which states very plainly on the back of the card,
    “This is the property of the Social Security Administration and you must return it to us if we ask for it”
    Admit you claim U.S. citizenship.
    Admit you (whoever you are minus your pseudonym) Have and use a driver license.
    Admit you claim to be a resident within a “STATE”.
    Admit you send your children to public schools (should you have children).
    Admit you have taken unemployment benefits at some point in your life.
    Admit you have taken Medicare/Medicaid at some point in your life?
    Admit the government has financed you in some way shape or form.
    Admit you receive FDIC from whichever place you do your banking at. (they have covered all their bases well haven’t they?)
    I could fill up several pages of the large plethora of benefits they offer…because they know it renders servitude to those accepting.
    Being familiar with law I presume you are familiar with a well settled rule in pleading;
    “he who does not deny admits and he who is silent appears to consent”
    Your silence to these questions without explained denial will result in your admission and agreement to them.

    I again extend ten days to you to deny these admissions which become your own admissions should you not deny them seeing we are in agreement.

  217. NonEntity Says:

    Wow! I’d never looked at it that way before OMG! OMG! OMFG!!!

  218. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Dummy damon wrote:
    [Are you familiar with:

    “One who accepts the benefit must also bear the burden”]

    To which I ask, Are you familiar with:
    The one who makes the claim bears the burden of proof”?

    Dummy damon wrote:
    [Your silence to these questions without explained denial will result in your admission and agreement to them.]

    Thank you for your opinion on the matter…
    Your opinion on the matter is void and without meaning.

    My denial:
    Your assertions are wrong.
    Your conjectures are wrong.
    Your assumptions are wrong.

    My explanation:
    You provided no evidence to support your baseless assertions, conjectures, and assumptions.
    You’re a dumbass who doesn’t even understand the rudiments of logic.

    Are you familiar with:
    “An assertion without proof may be refuted without proof”?

    I am not required to provide evidence that you are wrong because you have not provided evidence to prove you’re right.

  219. damon Says:

    no baseless assertions hab.

    you must pay for what you use. paying for the use of things is right along the lines of what you said,,,”rudiments of logic.”

    when I tell you must pay for the use of others property when they put a price on it you call me a “dumbass”. so you think you can take and not pay? do you think you can take from people marc claims are thieves? and if so does that make you a thief also?

    this is why we have estoppel. because some folks would rather name call instead of just be honest and admit to what we already know here. you have and use a social. this is property of the government. you must pay for the use of the card, which shows you are contributing member and partaker of their religious system of social welfare.

    so are you “asserting” you do not have and use a social? are you asserting you do not claim citizenship and residence? why not simply deny it then instead of avoiding the admissions like you are?

    am I wrong in assuming you do have a social? then deny it.

    am I wrong in my assertion that you have a social? then why not simply deny it? I gave you ten days and now another ten. or is it you cannot deny it because you do have and use their property and then turn and cry about when having to pay for the use of it?

    hey, have you put any thought into how you guys will care for each other in your voluntary society or are you going to just keep whining and crying about your bondage in this system?

    how will you care for the people that cannot care for themselves? the STATE actually does what the people refuse to do. they care for the widows and orphans. if we actually cared for one another like responsible adults and had an alternative social welfare system people would not have to go to government for their “daily bread”. but understanding this seems to fall on deaf ears hab because I think you either lack the understanding at present or you want to disagree to disagree. do you think you will have a voluntary society with no way to care for each other? it will be pretty empty I’ll tell you that. no workman’s comp or help when one is “down and out”. who here will assist hab when he loses his job in this voluntary society everyone talks about here? who is going to care for marcs autistic or lame son when he is at work? who will help fund and rebuild spookies house that burnt down? shoot, who will help spooky put the fire out? what kind of provisions have you guys come up with for some of these issues? any at all? you want liberty? well liberty is responsibility…or is that baseless too hab?

    there is absolutely nothing baseless about caring for each other out of charity….what is given freely cannot be taxed. every government knows this which is why it is not subject to their tax rules. it is higher law.

  220. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon, it is quite obvious to me that your purpose here is to subvert Marc’s message.

    You deliberately miss the point.

    I see that you are still posting the same “thing”.

    If you want to continue this engaging discussion with me, do it on the forum.

    http://marcstevens.net/board/thread-8151-post-56031.html#pid56031

  221. NonEntity Says:

    Habby sed, “damon, it is quite obvious to me that your purpose here is to subvert Marc’s message.” … Ya THINK?!?!? (Sigh.)

  222. spooky2th Says:

    damon, is just smoke and mirrors. damon, cannot prove anything he claims, argues or assumes/presumes.

    damon, always ignores the simple fact that since everything is forced by govt, there is no jurisdiction. Obey or else, pay or else!

    Even the IRS cannot prove jurisdiction and has had cases dropped because of it.

    Even by the Fed’s holy script, it is illegal for a federal court to rule against or give orders to people that do not reside in D.C. or any of the territories! But they get away with it because lawyers will not challenge the court’s jurisdiction and most people do not know about it to begin with.

  223. NonEntity Says:

    Habby, it is quite obvious to me that your purpose here is to subvert demon’s message. You’re obviously a troll.

  224. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    So the evidence seems to support NonE.
    I didn’t mean to step on everyone else’s efforts to subvert, Uh… challenge damon’s message.. er, baseless assertions.

    Having just spent the time to read or skim the 181 posts of the topic “Damon: Poster Boy for Cognitive Dissonance’, linked four posts above, I hereby apologize to (in order of appearance)
    Andy,
    NonE,
    Eye2,
    Boxer,
    Crazy in CL,
    Ripsaw,
    Spooky2th

    I missed the topic and now see what a dishonest person damon is and that you all had already addressed his tripe.

    Sorry.

  225. NonEntity Says:

    What the mirror reveals. I looked in the mirror. It scares the shit out of me! I saw Habby. Habby is relentlessly pounding away at the demon’s failure to aplly logic to the same things and in the same manner which Habby does. The demon continues to lay out his logical analysis proving, to his satisfaction at least, that we are all evil, imperfect, in his vision of some mythical heavenly being’s munificence. He totally fails to recognise the logical issues that Habby incessantly barrages him with (how odd, huh?) Habby fails to meet the demon’s logic on its own level, ignoring it as irrelevant to the image Habby has of reality, just as the demon ignores that of the Habby. Enter, from stage left, the NonEntity who finds both the position of the Habby and that of the demon as being of mindus closedus and proceeds to, with malice aforethought, attempt to hoist both of these people on their own petards (whateverthehellthatmeans.) The point being that none of us (which is inclusive of NonE of us) is being of generous enough demeanor to treat the others with respek. Mirror mirror, on the wall, who is the most self righteous of us all?

  226. NonEntity Says:

    Habby sed, “Having just spent the time to read or skim the 181 posts of the topic…” (Mirror carefully draped in black fabric,) Jesus H. F’ing Christ, Habby, GET A LIFE!!!

  227. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Back atcha.
    Joined: 11-25-2006
    Last Visit: Today 11:35 AM
    Total Posts: 7,189 (1.96 posts per day | 18.91 percent of total posts)
    Time Spent Online: 3 Months, 3 Weeks, 3 Days, 2 Hours, 11 Minutes, 53 Seconds

  228. NonEntity Says:

    Akshully,I joined LONG before that, but the forum changed venues at one point. :-p

  229. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    I know what you mean. I’ve had the same email address since 1996.

  230. damon Says:

    subvert marcs message?

    that may be the case if marc was not in error and speaking truth.

    Your parents sold you into bondage and signed you up for a system of social welfare based on covetousness. You now operate in that system giving up a portion of your labor in the form of taxes for use of their property accompanied by a PERCIEVED benefit,

    If you want to be a NRA member you have to pay the dues associated with the membership. Then, you have access to benefits.

    What you do not realize either by ignorance or just avoiding it on its face because of the responsibility that is involved is that marc turns and claims they are thieves when they come to collect the dues owed for using the benefits of membership. This is total confusion on marcs part. I understand he has spent a lot of time building an egg and following around the idea that they force you to pay. And to be shown to the contrary is unsettling when you thought you had it all figured out, but there is much more than what marc is telling.

    You cannot claim to not owe if you use the membership number and benefits associated with it in the NRA. You can ask all the questions you want (some out of blatant ignorance) but you still owe for what you use.

    It is very simple…if you do not want to owe then quit using the membership. quit taking the benefits then you owe nothing. if you fill out tax forms you claim to be a taxpayer under PENALTIES OF PERJURY which constitutes testimony of a witness. YOUR witness. You provide the evidence like lemmings. Why ask me for it when you are the ones who give it.

    I used an example like the above over a year ago about membership.

    why is it no one still in over a year will address the issue of your system of welfare in your voluntary society? how will you guys care for one another and the sick and elderly. how will you provide for the services? police? fire? healthcare? no one pays taxes I assume so how will these be funded and what ideas have you guys come up with to make it a reality. Is the reason no one answers this is because no one here has done anything at all about it and would rather blame government for what they owe on their taxes? Wake up.

    good to see you and I are still in agreement with those admissions hab. You still have time to deny but it seems you, at least, do not want to lie about your participation in their religious system of welfare.

  231. NonEntity Says:

    “Your parents sold you into bondage…” uh… hmph, I didn’t realize I was a piece of property subject to being bought and sold. Thanks for clearing that up for me, demon! 🙂

  232. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    http://marcstevens.net/board/thread-8151-post-56031.html#pid56031

    I see you for what you are damon.

  233. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    http://marcstevens.net/articles/canadian-prosecutor-cannot-prove-constitution-applies.html#comment-178733

  234. NonEntity Says:

    Ew, links! Kewel!!! 😉 (eYe’s favorite quote: “words get in the way.”)

  235. damon Says:

    you do not see,

    Are you not able to deny?

    what are you guys doing to care for one another in your voluntary society?

    what are you implementing so people to don’t have to go to the governments of the earth for their welfare and “daily bread”?

    are you still so prideful that you will not admit that you have property that belongs to another and must pay for its use? Social security card??? license in any form? ad nauseam.

    how will you provide for the fire and police? the health care and rehabilitation? the orphans? the hungry? the homeless? what will you implement and how? I mean just complaining they stole from you accomplishes nothing. calling me names accomplishes nothing. crying about your membership dues accomplishes nothing.

    a ticket getting kicked out is the great accomplishment here…seriously. that the “higher ground”??? that’s laughable.

    What are you folks doing to provide for one another when the unrighteous mammon fails (government handouts). Nothing? this is why you will not answer what you have planned cause there is nothing there is there. its empty. no other camp to go to. just complain about the camp your in.

    that’s correct non e . your parents had power over you and sold you into bondage into a system of statutory labor. You give up a portion of your labor in the form of taxes for a perceived benefit that comes at your neighbors expense. So is it really them stealing, or would it be you when one actually collects? taking stolen property knowing it stolen makes one a thief as well..so.

    you guys caring for one another? not many will come to your voluntary society without provision. I’m not a gambling man but I bet not many of you would stay either without provision.

    So how do you achieve it..your voluntary society? I mean it sounds good…voluntary…but how do you achieve it? Fighting tickets in their courts where they have jurisdiction? cmon.

  236. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,

    You want denial? Okay.

    Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
    What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    You are wrong.

  237. spooky2th Says:

    Habe,
    You got that right! damon, is nothing but baseless assumptions, claims, assertions and arguments on & on. Asking him/her to prove anything is useless as all you will get is just more of the same BS.

    Here’s an examples:

    11-09-2015, 03:19 AM
    Post: #17
    spooky2th Offline
    Member
    ***
    Posts: 203
    Joined: Sep 2013
    Reputation: 7
    RE: Damon’s ideas about…
    damon said: “The very act of acceptance of benefits is consent to the obligations associated with said benefit.”

    So, if one is receiving social security payments, prove the jurisdiction that any code is applicable to the SS recipient! Let’s make it simple for you. How about a simple speeding ticket or a parking ticket? Can you “prove” the jurisdiction? Prove something that no prosecutor, judge, lawmaker or anybody for that matter has yet to prove!?!?

    I have asked you this and countless other questions of evidence/proof before and all I have ever seen from you in reply is dodging or sidestepping the question and/or just more assumptions, presumptions, opinions or arguments which we all know are not proof of anything.

    Assumptions, presumptions, opinions and/or arguments need to be proven too if offered as proof of anything. And injecting religion into the mix just shows that you are not a rational person. The least you can do is be honest and say something like, “I do not have any proof.” But my experience with you so far is that you are “not” an honest type.

    *********************

    I have lost count how many times I have asked damon, to prove what he argues and he doesn’t. Mr baseless, judicial misconduct all the time. Like I said many times, damon is as dishonest as he can get. I bet damon, is a product of the govt socialist school system and probably is getting paid for typing his tripe here too.

  238. NonEntity Says:

    Eeeeek! I’ve been caught in an endless loop! START: IF Habby OR demon, goto START, ELSE goto START

  239. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    @ Spooky,
    Yeah, I know. I read and skimmed that thread. His failure to use logic indicates he is cointelpro or non compos mentis (diminished brain activity).

    @ NonE,
    You missed a line in that program.

    IF NonE, goto AWAY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yW13T2sfKg

  240. damon Says:

    we only end up in a loop because you want to be this way. I present truth and reality and you demand I provide you with evidence of basic fundamental law. You have another’s property which constitutes your agreement to the rules that accompany the use of said property. otherwise GET RID OF IT.

    You have a social, which is property of the government which has stipulations to its use called taxes. This does not make me “wrong” or “baseless”. Your being absurd hab or marc or whoever you are.

    non compos mentis as I understand it is not mentally competent. These are people that obtain lawyers.

    Non compos mentis would also be a people who think they can use others property without paying for the use of it.

    Don’t want to pay quit using their property…how is this baseless. Your really reaching at nothing.

    I still see no one wants to deal with how you all will care for one another in your voluntary society. Wonder how long it will last coming from folks who claim their are no citizens yet claim to be…citizens. Baseless assertions? your a riot man.

    So how will you care for each other in this society with no forced contributions Hab? Care to explain your opinion or ideas on it? Or is beating a speeding ticket more important than the welfare of your neighbor?

    The dishonesty is not on my part. We are still agreement I remind you and no maxim you post is going to circumvent your silence on the matter. You still have ample time to deny what I have implemented as admission through tacit procuration also called estoppel and soon to be by default. How else to deal with a prideful stubborn “looper”.

  241. NonEntity Says:

    IF truth AND reality GOTO AWAY, ELSE babble on

  242. NonEntity Says:

    I love this!!! “So how will you care for each other in this society with no forced contributions Hab?” — Really, Hab, how the hell can you care for people without violently violating them? What’s WRONG with you?

    This is just too too good!! 🙂

  243. NonEntity Says:

    IF careforneighbor THEN stickguninhisfaceanddemandmoney ELSE leavehimalone

    I think I’ll choose ELSE.

    REMEMBER, the tag line from the movie Love Story, “Love means never having to say you’re sorry.” demon seems to have watched that movie too many times. Ali McGraw was cute, huh?

  244. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    damon,
    You want denial? Okay.

    Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
    What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

    You are wrong.

  245. NonEntity Says:

    Habby, you might wanna check your turntable, it seems to be skipping on the same track over and over… maybe you can jump to a commercial break and fix it or switch records. Probably best just to switch records.

  246. NonEntity Says:

    Hey Marc, is this reminding you of deja habby all over again?

  247. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonE, I am trying to keep my posts short.
    (You should appreciate that given your past complaints.)

    I’m attempting to limit my posts to one item for damon to focus upon.

    Assertions without proof mean nothing.

    That is this month’s special.

  248. NonEntity Says:

    God exists.
    No he doesn’t.
    Yes he does.
    No he doesn’t.
    Yes he does.
    No he doesn’t.
    Yes he does.
    No he doesn’t.
    Yes he does.

    It’s the demon and Habby show!

  249. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    http://marcstevens.net/board/thread-8750.html

  250. damon Says:

    please do not mischaracterize my speech as you have a habit of doing non.

    I do not advocate forced contributions as you would imply. I have continually promoted an alternative.

    so let me rephrase the question.

    How will you folks care for each other when the current system fails? What alternatives have you talked about and possibly worked on or even implemented yourselves? How will you do it and to whom will you entrust funds to provide for essential services?

    I assert you have and use a social hab. At this point you have agreed to my assertion. You still have time to deny you use government property or claim to be a citizen/resident.

    You are not on trial with me and I need not prove you have and use a social. They have it on record already. You are member of their club and owe dues which are collected from a portion of your labor in the form of a tax. This should be very easy to grasp. They track you with that number and all of your transactions. Your health record. All of it. Why ask me for proof….they have it and you gave it to them.

    Do not want to pay the tax…give up the number and status and all the benefits that come with it. Quit complaining about it and do something about it if it bothers you so. Until then, what are you doing to provide for the welfare of your neighbor (non, spooky, marc, etc) since you do not like the current system. Because you cannot take from that system unless you have allegiance to that system. So what do you propose for an alternative and how will it be funded? These are legitimate questions. Why do you avoid them so much?

  251. damon Says:

    looking on the forum to which I do not have access. It is cute for you to go to all the trouble to try to make your case.

    I skimmed through it , but did I miss you actually denying you have and use a social security number and keep asking me to prove it? Because if you do have and use their property which is the card then you owe the tax. Drivers license? Claim a status of citizen/resident? What about a simple one…do you have a bank account. Can you answer that?

    Why will you simply not deny it?

    And how do you think you are immune from tacit procuration or estoppel? Given the opportunity to deny and failure to do so on repeated requests shows you are in agreement with the admission and have no controversy. He who does not deny admits. Unless you deny we agree as I have stated.

    That addition to “other taxes” you quote from the original social security act is whatever other taxes they deem fit. Ex: Obama Care. They left it wide open for the future.

    I am not detracting from anything. this is an issue I have continually brought up that you seek to avoid. I figure because you have no provision or any idea how you guys will care for each other when the system collapses. Your too worried about wasting your time over stupid traffic tickets instead of learning how to provide for your neighbor through sacrifice and charity. How about…you keep your own records of live births? Weddings? Quit registering marriages with the STATE?? No. We aren’t ready for that yet here. More traffic tickets then, cause that goes far towards liberty. Fighting their tickets in their system attached to licenses that most of you assuredly have. Or is that another baseless assert for which I need oodles of proof cause you do not have the sand to just admit it.
    All this shows is that you may be to selfish yet to actually do what is necessary to walk at liberty. You have to set others free and quit asking government to take from your neighbor to provide for your welfare.

    Unless and until you do this you will remain under your taskmasters asking me to prove your bondage which should be so very evident if you look around and swallow your pride for a sec. I mean at least spooky could admit he uses their property. Can you? or you going to wait the 5 more days and surrender to default?

  252. NonEntity Says:

    Now demon suggests that a DIRECT QUOTE is a mischaracterization. Don’t change channels folks, it just gets better and better with time. 🙂

  253. Ronnie Says:

    We shouldn’t have to state the obvious Damon. Those that want to care for the elderly will do so. Those that don’t will not. Very simple!
    And secondly, How does having a SS# prove the code applies to me because I’m physically in North America?

  254. NonEntity Says:

    Ronnie, there is no “should.” There is reality, and there are desires we may have about the way we’d like things to be, but there is no “should.” Habby, for instance, believes that demon “should” be amenable to rational thought. As “Dr. Phil” says, “How’s that workin’ for ya?” … my thoughts at the moment.

  255. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Awe shucks NonE. (blushing)
    You must love me cuz you are so concerned about my mental health.

  256. NonEntity Says:

    Nope, Habby, it’s just that I’ve been infected by your communicable mental disease and now I’m running around insanely trying to create rational behavior in irrational actors. Probably the best thing is just to shoot me.

  257. NonEntity Says:

    Important side issue: I wonder if the size of this thread is creating a momentum wherein its growth may go exponential and in short order consume all the available bandwidth on the interwebz?

  258. NonEntity Says:

    Think of it! All the internet, at all times, will be a cupla whackaloons on Marc Stevens’ website. All your bases be ours.

  259. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Poking the ole stick in the proverbial hornets nest…
    Sorry NonE, as the scorpion said to the frog, I can’t help it, it’s my nature.

    I openly wonder why damon has abandoned his covert agenda.
    Did his ISP address get blocked from site access?
    Did he decide he’s not convincing anybody with his baseless assertions?
    Did he have a cointelpro supervisor who pulled him off this site?
    Or did he recognize I track down and kill every Gish Gallop lie he posts?
    Or did he just miss my last response to his stack of baseless assertions?
    http://marcstevens.net/board/thread-8750-post-64716.html#pid64716

  260. NonEntity Says:

    A first!… someone mentioning me and proverbs in the same chapter, maybe even book. May lightning strike you silly.

  261. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    I invoked the god of hornets… Ya know.. the vice squad. Not the god of lightening, What was his name? Wasn’t it Zeus? Not to be confused with Dr. Seuss.

  262. NonEntity Says:

    STOPPIT! You’re confusing the thread! I’m still trying to figure out how to lovingly devastate my neighbors so that I can take care of their sorry asses. I thought I had a handle on it and then you brought the psalms into it and everything went to sh… crap. Now I have to start again. Where is demon when I need him?!

  263. damon Says:

    i did not abandon any agenda as I have no agenda, I am still here. I have not had time as of late.

    I will say though that you are in full agreement hab for your refusal to deny and your position to stand mute on the admissions. Now that I am fully aware of your use of the socialist security card and that you claim to be a resident and citizen, they have you. And your use of their property does give a advantage over you and a portion of your labor in the form of a tax, which I will remind you is your part for the use.

    Estoppel and tacit acquiescence.

    Any thought on how you are going to care for each other in your voluntary society when you can no longer force your neighbor to contribute and take from the thieves?

    Because if you think your just going to stop paying taxes and all the services will provide for themselves you haven’t thought very hard about your position.

  264. Mad_Mars_Mag_Pie Says:

    Hornets ?

    No, its not too smart to mess around with hornets. They can bite!

    I once teased a hornet nest full of black-n-white hornets. They had a nest hanging by a twig by the road. I stopped the car and walked back to take a look at it and saw the gaurd hornet looking back at me from its hole in the nest. Well, I just dam up and jerked that twig and fled for my life back to the car, and slammed the door shut and them hornets hit the window !

    You might get away with it once but not twice.

    Its the same with law.
    Becareful of who you monkey around with.
    You might get away with one time, but the next time, They’ll get you !
    You don’t monket around with the devil, do you ?

    So why monkey around with the devil boys in their court room ?

    It pays to be aware of who you are dealing with and don’t move a chess piece, unless you know how to play the chess game. The Court is like a Chess game and you better know what you are doing … it should not be like that. Not at all. But then again, its not about your rights that they have in mind … its all about money …

    I am gonna qout a verse from the Old King James Bible to get my point across, so bear with me a moment …

    2 Peter 2:3 – And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you !

    Apostel Peter understood this, so did Christ. Nothing has really changed that much in the past 2000 plus years, has it ? ! …

    You get sent to prison, and you sit there, while others make money off of you, selling the bonds and using the money to build the Highways and to loan to home buyers and other business and bankers included.

    Its not all about your rights … its all about your credit … stealing your credit and using the money for their own use. Its all about the Rome Papel Bull that that was enacted in the 1300’s, the one that Martin Luther complained about when he hammered his 95 thiss on the church door.

    All sins were given a money value, and you either pay it or go sit in jail or prison or forfet your life …

    And as one writer once wrote, All roads leads to Rome. The Rome church owns the laws that the U.S. uses in the court, and the U.S. has to pay a yearly fee, for the use of the Rome Private law and codes. The laws and codes that is used in todays courts are owned by Rome. The UCC code, alone cost $250,000 a year … America is owned by Rome and Briten. The Pope calls DC at lest once a week. Rome is the Spider that sits in the center of the Spider Web, and she pulls and tugs on the strings and the world dances to her behest, and that includes china and russia,

    We are in the world and subject to its effect, wearther we like it or not.
    Yet we struggle to up hold our rights in a corrupt world. Never forget that we fight not against flesh and blood but against the powers in high places, ruled by the fallen enitites from above … and fallen men from below … yet there will be many who will scoff at this, for they to are blind and refuse to see or acknowledge the truth of our times as they are.

    Another writer once wrote, that our country consitution will be refuted and it pretty much has been refuted … after all, the court has not operated under the consitution since 1938, has it ? !

    and if you do mention it, you know what the Judges tell you !
    The common law is not what is used in the court, and all of you should know that. Yet, we insist on and demand for our common law rights, for we are human, made of flesh and blood, not legal entites …

    Rome, is drunk with that cup of blood in her hand as she rides the beast …

    I’ve said enough for now …

  265. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    http://marcstevens.net/board/thread-8750-post-64815.html#pid64815

  266. desertspeaks Says:

    spewing magical words of art, someone believes they apply.. how quaint.

  267. damon Says:

    @ Ronnie

    that sounds like a really easy answer Ronnie. the ones that don’t seek to care for each other will remain in their bondage and under tribute in their current socialist system. so if u think you get to be one that “doesn’t” and remain free you do not understand the true nature of liberty and what it takes to be “free” hence your bondage.

    I have written in detail why having and using a social subjects you to the terms and conditions of the social security act and the internal revenue code. you have property that belongs to another. some of terms for use of this property are giving up a portion of your labor in the form of a tax.

    this is part of what marc bitterly complains about, accusing them of stealing. this is ignorant and way off base. which is why I keep asking, if they steal and you use the benefits or take from the stolen loot….what does that make you? a thief as well. thing is, they aren’t stealing as you have given consent for them to take. if not then quit filling out tax forms.

    it applies desert the same as membership dues to a club or the same as going into a diner and ordering and eating the food…you now owe.

    your deceiving yourselves if you think you can use another’s property where terms and conditions attach but somehow do not apply to you. your deceiving yourselves if you think you can remain in the club and have club benefits and not be liable for club dues.

    your argument that they steal is false marc and you are misleading your parrots down a road of confusion.

    by the way. a possible better approach to the tax question where u always ask for jurisdiction. instead of jurisdiction ask for verified evidence of “trade or business” activity. they define this in sec 7701(a)(26) if memory serves as “the functions of a public office.

    so Ronnie, how will you care for others in your voluntary society? if you are one who does not sacrifice for your neighbor then who will help defend you against the socialists that come to plunder you? who will stand with you willing to lay down their life for you if you are one of the ones who “doesn’t”? the ones who “don’t” Ronnie will not last very long and will very easily succumb to the current socialist system of welfare again or die. if you are one who will not give then why should others give to you? if you are not willing to tithe for your neighbors well being and welfare voluntarily, why should they do it for you?

    the only way to be at liberty is through a system of social welfare that is based on charity and not compelling our neighbor. until you understand and start doing this for each other you will remain slaves. you waste your time fighting tickets in court pretending they have no right to enforce their code over card carrying members….what a joke. you think because a ticket gets dismissed you have won something while they never even leave their bondage? wake up people.

    your gonna have to figure out that you have to take responsibility first over yourselves then over your neighbor and act like adults. then nanny government wont have to do it because you will be doing for each other. leaving them not only powerless over your lives but unnecessary as well. you have to provide all the services through a tightly knit network of people based on love for ones neighbor. but you laugh at me and poke fun when I tell you these truths. these truths as well as your liberty are so far from you currently that you do not even understand what I am talking about, yet you cry out for a voluntary society while at the same time never releasing your neighbor from your demands from the thieves. quit asking them to take from your neighbor to provide for you and your welfare. provide for one another instead of fighting stupid traffic tickets. otherwise quit your crying and pay your tribute.

    1Sa 8:18  And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

  268. damon Says:

    “Those who will not be Governed by God will be Ruled by Tyrants”

  269. damon Says:

    “Those who will not be Governed by God will be Ruled by Tyrants”

    you keep asking me about that jurisdiction spook. gonna keep telling you they are enforcing the terms of your agreement. they have both your implied and express consent. you swear under penalties of perjury on tax forms that you are a taxpayer………..I mean hello?

    you swear under penalties of perjury to get a social security card which are only issued to……taxpaying welfare recipients who are willing to force their neighbor to contribute to their welfare. when you are not of age your parents usually do it for you…selling you into bondage. your continued use just further affirms your bondage, you owe a tax, and to whom you look to to care for you in your time of need. and you still foolishly ask me to prove their jurisdiction applies to you even after you know you have sworn it does. its very foolish of you spooky. I know with the support of the other ones that are confused here it seems to give you some stability…..but its foolish. you are in the bondage of Egypt just like they were long ago for the same reasons.

    you swear under penalties of perjury that you are a resident AND citizen to get a drivers license. first 2 questions on the application.

    they have your oath and YOUR witness that YOU owe and have applied to be under their jurisdiction. my God man. penalties of perjury constitutes TESTIMONY OF A WITNESS! your very own witness against yourself. spooky…are you seriously asking me how can their codes apply to you after having sworn that they do. you swore man… under penalties of perjury. are u a liar now and your word is no good? is that your saying? u get to swear oaths and lie about it?

    marc….you ask this nonsense too, never taking this into account? or your clients witness against himself does not count? time to take responsibility for your actions maybe?

    just ridiculous. you starting to wonder yet why the people that defend you and your position are ones that do not seem to be interested in what it really takes to have a voluntary society? they do not seem to be interested in caring for each other. they only seem to be interested in saving their own skin (get out of that ticket/don’t pay a tax). they do not seem interested in getting their neighbor out of bondage. they do not seem interested in figuring out how to care for each other through charity instead of force. how long do you think a people will remain free with attitudes like this? I can tell you not very long.

    parens patriae

  270. Boxer Says:

    Marc:

    How much would it cost to ban demon?

  271. NonEntity Says:

    Boxer, we could have an auction! 🙂 I think I could come up with some bitcoin.

  272. NonEntity Says:

    But then Habby wouldn’t have a life. 🙁

  273. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Boxer asks:

    Marc:

    How much would it cost to ban demon?

    Depends on how much Marc is going to charge for determining damon’s ISP address. The rest will take about 10 minutes to put this in the .htaccess file in the main site directory.

    order allow,deny
    deny from xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
    allow from all

    Where xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is damon’s IP address. He won’t be able access the site at all.

  274. Mad_Mars_Mag_Pie Says:

    I believe damon is speaking the truth, but it appears nobody wants to hear the truth. Why is that ? Is it because he referes to the Bible ? Ahhh … truth of the matter, if no one wants to hear the truth, they mighty as well move to russia. The truth is not allowed to be heard there, and if anyone does, well, its prison time. Sadly, its like that all over the world. america and some english speaking countrys are about the only place where anyone can speak the truth anymore. and our days are numbered.

    I see, it appears that there are two threads of thought bunceing around here. if you don’t like what one says, so be it. we all have a Constitutional right to express our mind, and that aren’t no crime is it,

    Prosecutor, what do you have to say bout dat ?

    Oh, I forgot … isn’t dat tarbaby de prosecutor hisself ?

    becareful of how you punch tarbaby …

  275. NonEntity Says:

    Ah, the old “the constitution gives us our rights” song. I wonder if J.F. K. was humming that time when they shot him. I know Martin thought he had rights that were magical, but they didn’t stop those bullets either. Maybe we just need to sing LOUDER!?

  276. NonEntity Says:

    Habby appears not to have heard of V.P.N.s.

  277. Andy Says:

    Mad_Mars_Mag_Pie said: “we all have a Constitutional right”

    Please get a clue: I’m Allowed to Rob You!… https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpsJKQR_ZE

    No Treason: The Constitution of No Authority… http://marcstevens.net/interviews/notreason.html

  278. spooky2th Says:

    Mad, sounds just like the troll, baseless damon. Spouting irrational BS that cannot be proven. No help for anybody here, in a court case, that’s for sure.

  279. desertspeaks Says:

    damon, those documents you reference are forced upon the unsuspecting victims of and by government fraud, trickery and deceit, and as we all know FRAUD vitiates any contract!

  280. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonEntity Says:
    “Habby appears not to have heard of V.P.N.s.”

    Um, I’ve heard of virtual PUBLIC networks.
    It’s called the World Wide Web, or as I’ve seen Marc call them,
    The Interwebz.

    So what’s your issue with my suggested fix damon’s ongoing, continual posting of his attempt to chase people away from Marc’s Socratic method?
    ———————————-
    damon the Baseless Asserter posted some more of his baseless assertions.
    The boy is demented. Incapable of addressing challenges to provide supporting evidence for his baseless assertions. Habitual and pathological liar even.

  281. NonEntity Says:

    Habby, you suggested that demon could be blocked by blocking his ISP address. If demon uses a VPN then his address will change and the block will be ineffective. Capishe?

  282. Boxer Says:

    @MadMag

    What “truth” are you referring to?

  283. NonEntity Says:

    Boxer, well, THE TRUTH, of course! (he,sez, backing slowly from the keyboard)

  284. NonEntity Says:

    (the extra commas were added as a public service for those who have run out of their own allotment)

  285. Andy Says:

    Damon said: “I agree with inrem above.”

    i.n.rem said: “I did not have to look any further than ” You filed your tax returns as a citizen [SIC] of Canada” game over”

    In essence Damon said, ‘I agree with the prosecutor. Game over.’

    Actually, as Marc pointed out the error and corrected, the prosecutor said ‘resident’, not citizen. Quoting the prosecutor: “You filed your tax returns as a resident of Canada”

    In essence Damon said, ‘I agree with the prosecutor. Game over.’

    If the game was over for you Damon, why the hell are you still here? Could it be that when you wrote your first comment you were just beginning your baseless assertions attack?

  286. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonEntity Says:
    “Habby, you suggested that demon could be blocked by blocking his ISP address. If demon uses a VPN then his address will change and the block will be ineffective. Capishe?”

    VPN
    Virtual Private Network;
    Vamps Porking Nerds;
    Visiting Pooping Nodes.

    After all the shit you give me and everybody else about unclear messeges…

    Do go on. Enlighten the ignorant Habenae about how the internet works.

  287. NonEntity Says:

    Habby, Sorry, no condescension intended. I was under the apparent mistaken assumption that you would be familiar with what a virtual private network is and how it functions.

  288. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    The terms used are misnomers.

    Virtual private network is an encrypted channel between a browser and the an anonymizing server.

    Or even between different bank branch computers.

    The anonymizing server is still going to leave its ISP address finger prints on Marc’s server. The server log time stamp can be cross referenced to the time of damon’s post. THAT IP address can be blocked. The downside is if anybody else is coming to MSN.net from that same anonymizing server, they get blocked also.

    I’ve been denying every IP address doing robo-registering on my dead forum in the .htaccess file. That is, until I just disabled the registration function.

    The forum .php allows for blocking by email provider, isp address, isp company name, and some other stuff. Without seeing the control panel for Marc’s article notes, I would just be guessing as to what other anti-spam tools are available.

    When someone uses a dialup, they access any modem in a bank of modems, so the accessing IP address will change. But it will still be within a block of numbers.

    To deny a block of IP addresses, it goes in the .htaccess file as
    deny from 94.41.0.0/17 That denies 2^17 addresses in the 94.41 block.

    The VPN portion is of no matter in discussion of how to block a spammer like Mr. Baseless.

    So now that we’ve synchronized our meanings. Be careful about giving Mr. Baseless ideas on how to circumvent getting denied access.

  289. NonEntity Says:

    2 to the 17th power?!? Am I interpreting your scribbles correctly? Eeeeeeek.

  290. Boxer Says:

    What I cannot seem to understand is what religion demon is most committed to; his political god or his christian god.

  291. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    NonE says:
    “2 to the 17th power?!? Am I interpreting your scribbles correctly? Eeeeeeek.”

    Yes.

    But it’s not my scribbles.

    It’s what you put in a spreadsheet cell to calc a number to the power of.
    =5^3 will return 125.
    =5^4 will return 625.
    =144^(1/2) will return 12.

    2^16 = 65,536, or in computer speak, 64K of memory. That’s what my original TRS-80 had for total memory addressing. 48K ram 12K rom. It used the zilog Z-80 processor which used the same commands as the Intel 8080 processor.

    And just for giggles, there’s very few pictures that are smaller than 48K.

    Now that processor chips have 32 bits of addressing, direct memory access would be 2^32 or 4,294,967,296 bytes. I’ll have to check if there are any out there with 64 address bits.

    Which happens to be the number if unique IP-4 internet addresses.
    The four billion IP-4 addresses are getting used up so now there is the IP-6 standard.
    IP-6 uses 128 bits so there are 2^128, or
    340,282,366,920,938,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

    So 2^17 = 131,072 unique addresses in the 94.41.0.0/17 block.

    Each extra bit doubles the number of unique addresses.

  292. NonEntity Says:

    Commodore PET – 4k ram, cassette I/O. :-p

  293. desertspeaks Says:

    boxer your indoctrination is frightening.. the shadows in the allegory of plato’s cave are your reality! good luck!

  294. desertspeaks Says:

    drats,.. no ability to clean up a mistake.. the above post is to damon not boxer..
    Sorry boxer!

  295. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Well NonE, we’re both showing our age by what we’ve owned for tech.

  296. NonEntity Says:

    .|.. = picture of flipped bird, 4 bits. (no boxers were implicated in the message of this picture)

  297. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    Ahem. 4 BYTES. = 32 bits if ASCII code.

  298. NonEntity Says:

    Ahhhem. 4 bits. 0100. 🙂

  299. NonEntity Says:

    Or, put another way, index digit OFF, middle digit ON, ring digit OFF, pinkie digit OFF … two quarters (4 bits), half a byte

  300. Habenae Est Dominatus Says:

    WAIT!
    When did this thread become about Clinton and Lewinsky?

  301. damon Says:

    @ boxer..
    most people carry the understanding that religion is what one thinks about God. This is not the case. Religion is defined as

    ones duty toward God and his fellow man.

    its has to do with how people come together to care for each other. Most people have chosen the way of Cain. That is they compel their neighbor to contribute to their welfare by electing authoritarian benefactors. Its called socialism, this is the religion of the majority of the people.

    Want to be free? All welfare has to be through charity. What I have been challenging people on here is how will you implement this? People here cannot even see beyond their own selfish pride and still seek to blame everyone else for their own covetous practices.

    if you really want to be free we have to set our neighbor free. Have to stop taking the stolen loot since marc claims they are thieves. But marc fails to realize like many here do, that it is their neighbor making the demands upon them and the government is just the agency. The people ask them to take from you and vice versa.

    btw I have no “political” god.

    furthermore just claiming I have “baseless assertions” does not make it so.

    as long as you use their benefits they have you. You are beholden to them because you will not gather together in free assemblies and figure out how to be the welfare for one another. You register your children with them. You register the car you think you own with them, your house, yourself, your income. You look to them in every facet of your lives.

    you are wasting your time and energy on issues that do not matter nor will they matter when it all comes crumbling down. Your going to have to figure out how to care for one another when the infrastructure collapses. Some of you here wont make it because you refuse to understand that you have to be the welfare for one another and quit taking from our neighbor.

    If they are thieves and you take from the thieves what does that make you?

    how will you provide for one anothers welfare in your voluntary society?

    a voluntary society takes responsibility. One if the things with responsibility is being able to admit we screwed up and are partially to blame for the current state of affairs.

    I do not see anyone here willing to take responsibility for themselves…how will they take responsibility for their neighbor too?

    You guys working on a system to care for one another in this voluntary society you advocate or are you to busy blaming the government?

  302. damon Says:

    it isn’t fraud.

    they let you know publicly. its called “plausible deniability”.

    Everything is written in their codes. when you take the benefits what you give up in return ( apportion of your labor in the form of a tax) its all written their. granted they do use deceptive language and words of art but none the less.

    their is a maxim that says “let he who would be deceived be deceived”

    what they did is appeal to the covetous nature of man. you and your parents before you like mine, took the bait. Now your in a system of bondage where your neighbor rules over you and demands you pay for his welfare through the agency of government. This is the reality.

    to be free you have to TAKE BACK your responsibilities and learn to care for one another out of charity. Unless and until you do this you will never be free men.it really is that simple.

    if I force m neighbor to contribute to my welfare, how can I expect someone to not do the same to me?

    you shall know the truth and the truth will set you free…lover your neighbor as you love yourself or worded another way…do unto others as you would have done unto you. That is the law mang.

    you guys seek to hang and stone me though when I tell you this stuff…not much of a voluntary society you got going here although you think you want one. I can get banned for my thoughts? and my speech? you do not seem much different than the ones you claim to hate.

    that’s called hypocrisy. just like claiming they steal then turning and taking the handouts from them….

  303. Andy Says:

    Most people reject demon.

  304. spooky2th Says:

    A maxim in court is that evidence and/or facts not on the record are non-existent. Such as proof of jurisdiction that any govt mafia has over the people.

    If I feed someone or give them some money to help them, they do not owe me anything or have to abide my my rules, etc. The same goes for govt handouts and you know they are very small compared to the amounts the govt has stolen.

    Anybody that takes money or property without consent is a thief, no less. And that includes the people doing business as a govt corporation.

    This is a very good read on the subject:

    Debunking Territorial/Personal Jurisdiction – Why it Doesn’t Exist

    Posted on December 23rd, 2016 by Marc Stevens

    http://marcstevens.net/articles/debunking-territorialpersonal-jurisdiction-doesnt-exist.html

  305. NonEntity Says:

    I like this: demon sez,”granted they do use deceptive language and words of art but none the less.” In other words, granted they are dishonorable scum and their intent is to manipulate you to their advantage and behave fraudulently… NONETHELESS… (priceless!!!) 🙂

  306. NonEntity Says:

    &e, most people vote. And even so, I’m not sure that most people reject demon’s idiocy. Your evidence that the human race is inherently rational? I’ve certainly not found any.

  307. NonEntity Says:

    Habby sez spreadsheets came before math. He musta gonta Mericun skool!:
    ““2 to the 17th power?!? Am I interpreting your scribbles correctly? Eeeeeeek.”

    Yes.

    But it’s not my scribbles.

    It’s what you put in a spreadsheet cell to calc a number to the power of.” 🙂

  308. Andy Says:

    NonE, that thread wasn’t about voting. It was about exposing/poking holes in their (government criminals) irrationality (rationale?). Demon doesn’t know most people reject him. But maybe he does.

  309. NonEntity Says:

    Okay &e, most people believe in magical entities who love all of the beings they’ve created and torture mercilessly to get their message of love across. Zat help?

  310. Andy Says:

    “torture mercilessly to get their message” NAZI

  311. damon Says:

    Spooky they have evidence….since your birth compounded by the continual use of the benefits that come at the expense of our neighbor. You like most people have become surety for the debt through a portion of your labor called a tax.

    You parents signed you up initially. You fill out tax forms as I have said under penalties of perjury which does in fact and indeed constitute

    TESTIMONY OF A WITNESS.

    The government doesn’t just “give” benefits. These benefits are demanded by the people who ask the government to take from you. It is the PEOPLE who are to blame as the government is just a reflection of the peoples hearts and minds.

    The hearts and minds of the people are covetous and they are tyrants over one another.

    Furthermore the use of the benefits do have strings attached. There are well settled rules that many here seem to ignore entirely…

    He who accepts the benefit must also bear the burden.

    one cannot simultaneously confirm and deny

    People have bound themselves to a corvee system of statutory labor that the Bible warns about doing lest you fall into bondage , like we are currently.

    There is only ONE way to be set free man, and that is to set others free. We have to stop asking them to take from our neighbor in the form of “free school, health care, retirement benefits, etc”

    As long as people keep asking them to take for them from their neighbor those people are no better than the ones they ask to take, they are the tyrants.

    This is why it is so important to learn how to care for one another out of free will offerings (charity).

    Fighting stupid tickets in court with a system they created is not the answer to your pearls of freedom.

    YOU have to change, and unfortunately unless you have the mind of Christ (love your neighbor as yourself, and stop forcing your neighbor to provide for you through the agency of government) you will not be free….ever.

    to not pay taxes lawfully you have to stop all benefits in all shapes and forms. People do do this. No status claiming of citizen or resident no social no drivers license no bank accounts no insurance policies. No benefits all. the paying of taxes is not the issue though, the issue should be setting one another free THEN you will gain your liberty.

    Why do you think Abraham would not take the benefits…?

    Gen 14:22  And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth,

    Gen 14:23  That I will not take from a thread even to a shoelatchet, and that I will not take any thing that is thine, lest thou shouldest say, I have made Abram rich:

    there is warning after warning after warning.

  312. spooky2th Says:

    troll demon, if you believe that abomination of a book, how about this one for ya?

    Psalm 137:9

    I think it would be a miracle if troll demon, could actually prove anything he says!

  313. TOM MIXX Says:

    Books and the words written in them are just ideas and opinions Damon. All are written by men and women, some with GREAT “ideas” and “opinions” but great Ideas and opinions are all they are right? They can not reach out and force us Physically to “do” anything right Damon?

  314. TOM MIXX Says:

    “Spooky they have evidence….since your birth compounded by the continual use of the benefits that come at the expense of our neighbor. You like most people have become surety for the debt through a portion of your labor called a tax”.

    Is that what you call “evidence” Daman? My “birth” and that my parents “signed me up” makes me liable some how?. I have “become” a surety to a debt?

    can a physicist examine me ad determine that?

  315. TOM MIXX Says:

    “what are you guys doing to help each other in a voluntary society”?

    Well for one we are NOT in a voluntary society YET, right?

    What WE are “doing” to help each other is participating in the learning AND spreading that knowledge to break the bonds of “statist” indoctrination. WE are participating in the NSP project to some day get to a “voluntary society”..does that help answer your question Damon?

  316. TOM MIXX Says:

    “what you are not taking into consideration is that your parents DID have the power to sell you into bondage”

    Again Damon can a physicist examine me and come to that conclusion or is there some reification happening in your mind?

  317. Samoan Says:

    Not defending Damon’s positions but will state that a statement taken on its own does not necessarily mean exactly what it says. For instance, one of the commandments is “Thou shalt not kill’. I believe that everyone is pretty much in agreement that the word kill should actually be interpreted as “murder”. That being said, here’s a web page to explain Psalms 137:9. Pay particular attention to the Barnes passage.

    http://biblehub.com/commentaries/psalms/137-9.htm

  318. LA SCALIA Says:

    Just want to put myself on the record as being in support of all that Marc and his associates advocate on behalf of and bring into the minds of nearly not enough people. As many, I watch and listen and learn,
    which has allowed me to grown into a new pair of shoes.Shoes that I can kick some of these law misenforcement… lying …killing bastards in the ass with.

  319. damon Says:

    @ tomm,

    you will not have a “voluntary society” that last long at all unless you base the system of social welfare on charity alone.

    Spreading information about statist indoctrination resolves nothing unless and until you are also able to inform people of how they got to their current state of bondage (those who do not learn are destined to repeat it).

    @ spooky, Do I have to “prove” to you that you are in bondage and do not own your labor? Have you not seen the evidence of this already? Is not his part of the reason you are so bitter towards them? Why do you ask me for evidence of your bondage when it should be very evident to you? Do you have an alternative reason for denying the obvious? Why blame everyone else for your actions?

    People pull a lot of stuff from scriptures and they do not understand. Full of metaphors and can only be seen with “spiritual” eyes mate in reference to your psalms quote. What do you think that means spooky? Care to elaborate?

    informing people about the corruption is a minor part. Granted people should be made aware, but being aware of corruption with no idea how to fund a voluntary society through the precepts of God will just insure they stay in bondage to a corvee system of statutory labor.

    And again, the evidence has been given to them by you and it is continual because you all have and use government benefits, that are in fact and indeed voluntary. Problem here is no one seems to want to acknowledge these facts.

    Tomm,do you deny that you are in bondage? Do you really need a physicist to “examine” this?

    Do you pay a portion of your labor in the form of a tax to your masters?

    if they are not your masters why pay them?

    If you are not in bondage like most people, why pay them at all?

    A physicist would be able to tell very quickly and so could a young child. You are not a free man but are subject to a legislature bound in a system that you do not know how to escape from. In large part because you do not hear me or what I am “saying”.

    How will you all take care of each other in this voluntary society you advocate?
    how will you care for the lame, deaf, and blind and poor? Because unless you do it according to the commandments of God, it will not last and will become what you are trapped in today.

    You keep blaming them but it is actually the people who are at fault. They are the ones that make the demands to have “free school, social security, and so on. Then through appealing to the people covetous nature they roped you in and your parents and theirs before them.

    Want to stop paying taxes? quit filling out tax forms under penalties of perjury, which is testimony of a witness, (you witness no less) that you are in deed a TAXPAYER. I mean it is obscured to claim they steal from you when you are the ones filling out voluntary forms and using government issued identifying numbers….these are not FREE and come at a cost in the form of a tax. Why does this elide so many here?

  320. damon Says:

    ok spooky, what do you see here?

    Exo_5:7  Ye shall no more give the people straw to make brick, as heretofore: let them go and gather straw for themselves.

    what do you think they are talking about here? Straw and brick? Were all 600k Hebrews ….brick makers? Are all people today doing the same trade?
    What about this one?

    Exo_5:10  And the taskmasters of the people went out, and their officers, and they spake to the people, saying, Thus saith Pharaoh, I will not give you straw.

    what is really being said here? Pharaoh is telling the people he will no longer give them benefits mate. He is telling them that they must provide these benefits for themselves now…

    Exo_5:18  Go therefore now, and work; for there shall no straw be given you, yet shall ye deliver the tale of bricks.

    in the above what is really being said is that the benefits will stop but your tale or TAXES will not diminish. Do you see it? You have to see with different eyes man or you will remain in the bondage of Egypt under the same type of taskmasters and their officers as it is written. You will keep blaming others never coming to the realization FIRST that it is OUR fault. We have veered of path and have demanded that our neighbor pay for our stop through the agency of government instead of taking care of each other through charity. Until you are able to see this, admit this, and begin to implement this you will remain under these taskmasters asking me to prove your bondage to you?.?.?

    open your eyes man.

    so what do you think is being said in the Psalms that you quoted? Are you sure you know?
    did you know that straw and bricks are really about taxes and benefits? Maybe there are things in those books that you might not quite understand? Are you willing to admit this? How can you understand until it is revealed to you?

    I mean people come up with a supernatural “demon” and I do not see that written in the scriptures the way people commonly understand “satan”. Its actually an adjective to describe mans sinful nature, the principle of sin within not a spiritual being without if you will. That’s neither here nor there though. Point is people read the Bible and they do not understand what is really being said.

    One thing it does say, is that to be free all the welfare has to come through charity. This is the sacrifice they speak of. It was a “burnt” offering because once you gave it up you could not get it back…Indian giver. You had to relinquish all control over it. That was your “sacrifice”. Another thing people get confused on, they think He is literally talking about animal sacrifice when it couldn’t be further from the truth. You have to sacrifice for your neighbor and support each other or “gather your own straw”. When you learn how to do this , then you will be set free.

    True liberty is responsibility. We have to be responsible for one another. How can we do this here if you do not believe?
    who will care for you when you break a leg and cannot provide for your family for a certain time? What safeguards have you all discussed here to provide for these things on a large scale without forcing the sacrifice from your neighbor? How will you even provide for these things if you do not understand what I write here and mock me for it? You mock me for telling you to provide for yourselves through charity instead of compelling your neighbor to provide for you???

    I actually think you are comfortable in your bondage and will be like the % that sought to go back into their bondage;

    Exo 14:11  And they said unto Moses, Because there were no graves in Egypt, hast thou taken us away to die in the wilderness? wherefore hast thou dealt thus with us, to carry us forth out of Egypt?

    a portion of them (those who did not believe) sought to go back to their taskmasters.

    Exo 16:3  And the children of Israel said unto them, Would to God we had died by the hand of the LORD in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the flesh pots, and when we did eat bread to the full; for ye have brought us forth into this wilderness, to kill this whole assembly with hunger.

  321. spooky2th Says:

    Looks like the troll, damon is back. Preaching his sick minded, un-provable “tripe.”

    In court, if I brought up something that the pharaoh said (or any of the other garbage you spew,) I’d surely lose and be laughed right out of court. You are exactly no help here, demon troll.

    I’m still waiting for the miracle of you proving anything that you claim and/or assert.

  322. NonEntity Says:

    Spookytrooth, do you have video of the pharaoh? That might help. Just a suggestion. 🙂

  323. spooky2th Says:

    The Pharoh Report

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ukJSMlazc

  324. NonEntity Says:

    Yeah,I buy all that. Video iz prooph. You win.

  325. NonEntity Says:

    This thread is so long I’m scared it will run off the spool and we’ll all fall into a boiling pot of chili or eye of newt or lead or something.

  326. damon Says:

    Spooky,

    the very fact that you pay taxes on your labor is evidence of your slavery…it makes zero sense to ask me for this evidence when you have provided it already. You have already admitted to having a nd using a social security number…you are dependent on them.

    The fact that you pay a portion of your labor in the form of a tax is not “garbage” and any well learned judge would readily see this clearly…why can you not see this? Are you really that stubborn in your pride?

    The referencing of pharaoh was to show what is really being said as opposed to what people THINK is being said.

    Furthermore there is no “garbage” in caring for one another through charity as opposed to force through the agency of government. One cannot tax what is given out of charity…this is evident in that they allow you to actually deduct it from the taxes you do pay…this is because the Kingdom of God is supreme. That is how His kingdom operates, on charity. The issue is people , over time, become selfish and begin to covet their neighbors goods, so they cry out for a king , just like in 1 Samuel 8. Then they want security more than liberty and end up losing both…like today.

    If you were truly interested in a voluntary society you would hear my words. The only way you will be free is to set your neighbor free and lay down your life for him. this means you will probably have to give on a regular basis to a man you trust to do the right thing with what you have given for the welfare of your neighbor.

    What have you guys implemented to care for each other in the voluntary society you propose?
    still too wrapped up in silly traffic ticket dismissals? really?

    How are you going to care for people that enter this voluntary society? Why would anyone go there if they are still being fed in “Egypt”? From what I gather here none of you are prepared to even enter it.. although you think you are. So where are you going to turn for your “daily bread”?

    How are you all going to care for Marc’s mother who has taken ill and not able to care for herself? Who is going to help provide for your house if you suffer a broken leg Spooky? No more government handouts through force, right? The only alternative to the force is charity or else you will surely fall back into the bondage you are into today.

    So I keep asking….what have you guys done to provide for each other since the government will not be doing it for you? How will you provide for these services? Does anyone even have one example? Or do you think you just do not pay and still get the services really evidencing your covetous nature?

    An example, anyone at all…and if you have an example what steps have you taken with your fellow brothers here have you taken to implement this example? I’m sure you have time between the ever so important …traffic ticket dismissal, ya?

  327. eye2i Says:

    @spooky2th:

    link correction (as per context, you clearly meant this one):
    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/king-tut/n8663?snl=1

  328. spooky2th Says:

    Demon, troll,
    So, how come the lawyers, judges, prosecutors, law professors, politicians and even state attorney generals cannot prove it??? And you sure cannot prove it either! Since I have been challenging you to prove jurisdiction in any victim-less crime for at least a couple years now, I’d think you and they would have just proven it when asked the first time. Demaon troll, you and all the govt slimes are so corrupt and dishonest, it’s not funny!! Your sick in the head gibberish tells on you! You cannot be rational at all. BTY, that law professor says jurisdiction is just a blunt assertion of force!

    damon, is a troll here, to say the least!

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Saturday, 4-7pm EST: Tune-in to the LIVE No STATE Project broadcast as we report on the weekly happenings in legal-land and current events. You may call-in to the show at (218) 632-9399 passcode is 2020#, or Skype-in, with your thoughts on tickets, tyrants, assessments, activism, anarchy, agorism, or, of course; any and all criticisms. If you are being attacked by those with arbitrary titles and shiny badges, or if you have an interesting observation or criticism; then feel free to call-in to the LIVE show at (218) 632-9399, or you'll need to contact Marc on Skype by searching for username: frankrizzo3, and we can also add you to the NSP skype group chat where you can engage in some courtroom role-play exercises to refine your litigation skills and boost your confidence if you have a court hearing coming up. Also, here is a comprehensive list of the many ways you can interact with the No STATE Project broadcast and community.

Wednesday, 6-7pm EST: Tune-in to the new No STATE Project midweek commercial-free video-stream broadcast via Ustream.tv. You can join Marc live, or contact Marc to ask a question if you cannot make it on live. You can find archives of the Wednesday broadcast here on the website and on YouTube.

If you want to join the forum, you must email me a username so I can create the account. This is to stop the flood of spambots.





Contact update: If you email me a wall of text, then I probably will not read it. If you email me telling me to call you right away I won't. You'll have to set up a phone consult so we can set an appointment.

Mailing address has changed as of 1 October 2016. The new mailing address is: G.M. or Occupant 1496 N. Higley Rd., Suite 102-37 Gilbert, Arizona 85234.






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