Pat Ciliberto and the Commissioners Still Can’t Provide any Evidence Laws Apply

Posted on March 20th, 2014 by Marc Stevens

This is John’s second time confronting the county commissioners and attorney of 2013, Pat Ciliberto, for the evidence they rely on proving the constitution and laws of the “state” apply to John just because he is physically in Minnesota.  Predictably they had no evidence to provide.

Pat did provide a typical political ad hominem though, that’s not a surprise as logical fallacies are what lawyers are really good at.  When a politician has no evidence, they use a combination ad hominem and gaslighting technique.  It’s pretty dirty and may not be as apparent to those who don’t engage politicians very often.

When confronted with their lack of evidence, they will make a claim such as: “No answer I give will satisfy you.”  They are implying you are too stupid to accept they have already answered you when in fact they have not.  John is asking for facts the laws apply because he is physically in Minnesota.  All Pat offered was the opinion of another lawyer Rex Stacy (who also works as the “county” as Pat does).  Pat then insists his reference to Rex’s opinion is a responsive answer to John’s question asking for facts/evidence.

Alan got pretty upset with me last week and used that as a pretext to end the call.  Alan protested because I just kept asking him to answer my question.  He insists he has answered and can’t answer any other way.  I tell him he can be honest and give me the facts or admit he doesn’t have anything to give.  Alan is outraged and says I cannot question his integrity and ends the call.

While such tactics do not provide the evidence the laws apply, it is evidence of bad faith and yes, a lack of integrity.  I can’t make this any simpler: if they had facts, then they would provide them.  If you think you have facts that prove a constitution and laws of a “state” apply to me just because I am physically in Minnesota or Arizona, then call into the No State Project and present your facts.



4 Comments For This Post

  1. Jonathan Rabbitt Says:

    Ciliberto: “I’m no longer participating in your game.”

    Either this is a declaration that he and his cronies will cease and desist from the attack, or it’s a blatant lie.

  2. Martin Padilla Says:

    Marc, by looking at the meaning of that words (ad hominem, gaslighting, logical fallacies) I can see is a whole Science in words is involved. I now understand that they really are not that dumb, they are using a High Level of Technology in the use of words, strategies, misconceptions, incorrect arguments in logic, attacking, insulting, and infering they can use violence in any given moment.

  3. staljans Says:

    interested citizens?..Marc are you a citizen?, am I a citizen? or a resident? or a driver?..or is there ANY evidence that I am a slave of the “codes”?….yes,there is, slovak slave, the code says so, and hired thugs with their guns says so, so do lawyers, attorn-knees, and bull stuff ink, written on pieces of papers, say so…wow, i need to WAKE UP, and take the red pill…actually MANY sheeple need to wake up and take the “Marcs red pill”, something like the red bull drink…?..yes, but thousand fold more powerfull…thanks Marc, for the slap on the face, and the facepalm on the forehead…time to pull our heads out from our ASSumptions.

  4. Latimer the Cat Says:

    Thought ya’ll might get a chuckle out of this.


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