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Tax Agent Has No Evidence Constitution & Laws Apply

Posted on September 22nd, 2015 by Marc Stevens

I mentioned this call on the No State Project.  I’m not posting the entire call because it was really just more of the same as you’ll hear below.  As usual, it was really difficult to talk with this professional predator, it’s even more difficult for me to listen back to it.

What I did, before asking questions to discredit his argument, was to first ask him what his argument was based on, his argument being: “If you’re physically in California, then the constitution and laws apply.”  He insists the laws apply because there is a California address and a 1098 was received.  The tax agent states multiple times the evidence to support his argument are these two things.

This is very important to discrediting/debunking someone’s argument, opinion or claim.  Have them first tell you what they are basing it on, find out the premises/main facts supporting the argument.  It helps, as in this case, to have them confirm it’s only these two essential facts.

I then asked about how the physical location in California and the 1098  prove the constitution and laws apply.   Predictably the tax agent was unable to provide any proof of his claim and admitted he had:

No evidence.

Despite again admitting to not having evidence, he refused to drop the attack and lied about having his supervisor call me back.  I will posts any updates regarding this attack.

I wrote predictably because there is no evidence proving the constitution and laws apply just because of our physical location.  They don’t apply at all.  My main evidence supporting this is the fact they (“government”) are just men and women forcing us to pay them.

If you want to be more effective when defending against an attack by those called “government”, then starting from this fact and employing the Socratic Method will help immensely.  Don’t assume their arguments/claims are true; always assume they are lying and ask them questions to have them verify their claim is true.

When you keep the burden where it belongs, then it’s usually very easy to discredit these government types.

              

91 Comments For This Post

  1. Incubus Says:

    As infuriating as it may be dealing with these people, your approach isn’t helping. In the beginning you maintained a professional demanor. As time has passed you sound more and more short tempered and irate.

    Maybe it’s time to decrease the workload or take some time off. If you’re doing it for your own investigative purposes, that’s one thing. If you’re doing it on behalf of a client, it’s their dime and their behind on the line. And that should be reason enough to keep your composure.

  2. Andy Says:

    It seems to me Marc did it right seeing as he got the agent to admit he had no evidence to prove the laws apply to the client.

  3. Incubus Says:

    You seem to have missed my point.

  4. Al: Says:

    It’s appears that Marc is keeping his cool and doing things in a logical manner. But I to am unsure what the point of Incubus is saying on Sept. 22 at 7:17pm. I’m not saying Incubus is wrong but perhaps he can clarify his point. Thank you.

  5. Damon Says:

    If someone is filling out tax forms that are only for use by “taxpayers” then the evidence has been provided. These tax forms are usually if not always accompanied by a socialist insecurity number. This solidifies the “evidence” they need to move against the “taxpayer. This evidence is further solidified by the fact that the tax forms are signed under penalties of perjury, declaring to the truthfulness of the tax form by the one filling it out….which is a “taxpayer”.

    continued use and participation with “government property”, that property being the Social Security card and slave surveillance number is in fact and in deed the voluntary gateway into the income tax scheme. The people that use it and participate in that system of social welfare that uses force over their neighbor are rightfully placed under tribute to their “gods”. Those “gods” being the ones that they have applied to for “Benefits” and who they often look to for their protection, security, and authority to do the things they do.

    Here is part of their offer, all they have to do is get you to accept either explicitly or implied…they get both. an application is express and the continued use is the implied consent.

    TITLE VIII- TAXES WITH RESPECT TO EMPLOYMENT

    INCOME TAX ON EMPLOYEES

    SECTION 801. In addition to other taxes, there shall be levied, collected, and paid upon the income of every individual a tax equal to the following percentages of the wages (as defined in section 811) received by him after December 31, 1936, with respect to employment (as defined in section 811) after such date:

    That is from the original act and still stands…here is the link;

    http://www.ssa.gov/history/35act.html#TITLE VIII

    in His Peace
    Damon

  6. Andy Says:

    @Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point. Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence. If you can do better, go for it.

  7. spooky2th Says:

    @ Damon:

    If someone is forced to sign anything, the document or contract is voided. Practically the only way to work any more is to fill out these pieces of paper. On top of that, the employers are force to make their employees fill out the paper work too. Men with guns will be sent or worse if they don’t. And on top of all that, you quote acts that cannot be proven to apply to any body except maybe the ones working for the corporation, that swore an oath to it and etc. It’s all by force. Comply or else! Pay or else! If you can get your noodle past the double standard and back down to earth, govt is just men and women forcing their neighbors and every body else to pay them money.

  8. Andy Says:

    @spooky2th, You’re correct in what you wrote. Every month or so Damon drops by to spew his garbage in these comment sections. You’re certainly not the first person to give him the benefit of the doubt that his problem is mere naivety. IMO, his only intent here is to disrupt.

  9. Incubus Says:

    Sorry, bub. Close but no cigar.

    The point is to get the attack dropped. Admittance of no evidence is crucial, but it’s only part of the battle. Marc has managed to get agents to admit their is no evidence using a calmer tone and demeanor. To say his composure was necessary is simply untrue.

    I understand a lot of this may still be new and confusing. I’d recommend you listen to some of the archived calls to get a better understanding in how the process works, and compare some of the past calls to more recent calls. You may also see the change in demeanor I speak of.

    Good luck on your journey.

  10. Marc Stevens Says:

    I was less than professional on this call. It’s rare though. The entire call was not like this though.

  11. Andy Says:

    Thanks Incubus. I’ve been here for ten years. Is that long enough for your liking.

    “To say his composure was necessary is simply untrue.”

    How do you know that is true? Tradition? Just because he has gotten the admittance in the past without a heightened sense of self-control does that mean it wasn’t necessary this time? Do you have an all knowing crystal ball that tells you he would have gotten the admittance otherwise?

  12. Incubus Says:

    Andy, maybe you should take a minute to cool off. You clearly seem upset. I can tell you’re a young buck. That unbridled anger is common in younger generations. Seeing that, I tried to take it easy with you and use the kid gloves. I could’ve been harsher. You’ve been here for “ten years” and you didn’t even know the purpose of the phone call. Any bridges you want to sell me?

    “Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.”

    How do you know it was necessary? Crystal ball? Or that all knowing attitude you parade around?

  13. Damon Says:

    People not willing to take responsibility for their actions is all we see…I deny I am “spewing garbage” here.

    No one “forces” anyone to sign anything. People do it of their own free will all the time and usually under penalties of perjury or some oath. Trying to continuously blame the agents of government for enforcing the agreements the people have made with them is in error…and severely flawed.

    That “code” that I keep getting told “does not apply” sure does seem to apply if your using the socialist insecurity number and the corresponding tax forms and they keep taking what one owes in their graduated income tax scheme.

    The problem here is people do not want to take responsibility for their actions and therefore seek to blame everyone else, in this case it is the government agents who take from one group to give to another.

    If you use the number which can only be used by statutory “citizens” and “residents” then one is implicit in their agreement which is and has been PUBLIC RECORD for a very, very long time. They also give one an opportunity to give explicit consent under penalties of perjury on many other forms that people usually sign without any hesitation.

    No one forces me to sign a tax form…so I do not. No one forces me to use a government identifying number or mark my children with a number…so I don’t.

    People are in the bondage of Egypt again because of their covetous practices. They elect authoritarian benefactors to exercise authority over their neighbor to provide welfare and benefits at their neighbors expense. Period. Public school, food stamps, health care, and on and on.

    If people think they can force their neighbor to provide welfare and walk at liberty while they place shackles on their neighbor, they are fools, and sorely misguided. All of you here, all of you, will not see liberty and will remain in your bondage unless and until you are willing to release your neighbor AND forgive him for doing the same to you. Furthermore until people gather together in free assemblies and learn to be the WELFARE for one another through FREE WILL OFFERINGS instead of electing those benefactors that are willing to use force you will not walk at liberty.

    FREE WILL OFFERINGS or donations if you will CANNOT BE TAXED! Wake up people. I do not care if anyone does not like to
    hear” it…they need to because it is the truth. So stop complaining and blaming everyone else for your bondage…it is YOUR own FAULT. Take responsibility for the actions that got you there. Own it like men instead of crying about it like children.

    1Sa_8:18 And ye shall cry out in that day because of your king which ye shall have chosen you; and the LORD will not hear you in that day.

    If any of you here take from their table that they in turn took from your neighbor to provide it…. you ought to pay and remain in your bondage. That is why it is there….because people have not woken up to the truth so their blindness remains and they are snared;

    Psa_69:22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

    Rom_11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:

    You have all sat to eat with rulers and did not consider where they fed thee from;

    Pro 23:1 When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:
    Pro 23:2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.
    Pro 23:3 Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

    Now your bitter and must blame others for your own actions. And you hate me because I tell you the truth of it. You want your liberty? Here Him.

    in His Peace
    Damon

  14. NonEntity Says:

    Ah, Demon’s back! How wonderful. :-/

  15. crazy Says:

    Damon, what eveidence do you have that the ssa applies to anyone?

    It very difficult for people to get a job with out one because everyone believes you must have one…..neither of my kids have them and they can tell you how difficult it is.

    If my kids choose to get one, it will definitely be under duress. But even if they do have one, what facts do you have that by the mere fact that they have one that all of the laws of the united states now apply to them…..I really cant see logic here, only a bunch of rubbish opinion.

  16. Andy Says:

    @Incubus, can you write more strawmen to kick the stuffing out of than the several in your last comment/post?

  17. NonEntity Says:

    Faith, crazy. You just need faith!

  18. spooky2th Says:

    @ damon said:
    “No one “forces” anyone to sign anything. People do it of their own free will all the time and usually under penalties of perjury or some oath.”

    If the only way one is able to get a job to feed him/her self and family is to sign a piece of paper, “I’d be comfortable in saying that one is forced into signing the bogus paperwork. It is a crime for politicians and or legislators to make laws or codes or what ever, that restricts or “forces” people to do or not do what they want or would normally do in their life. I don’t have any power of you, Damon? Do I? How is it that lawmakers and other govt servants claim to have power over me and others??? How can voters give what they do not have to give to begin with, such as the right to steal money and property from people?!?! No man has any power or authority or control over another man except through terrorism, the use of threats, intimidation or violence or any combination of the three. This is what the govt does to it’s own people as well as other countries and peoples.

  19. spooky2th Says:

    I just realized that what Damon, posted just above is a copy & paste job. What a joke!

  20. Incubus Says:

    Name one.

  21. NonEntity Says:

    One.

  22. NonEntity Says:

    1.

  23. spooky2th Says:

    The paragraph that begins with “FREE WILL OFFERINGS,” for one.

  24. Damon Says:

    I copied and pasted the original social security act that is public record and shows plainly what people give up in return for “benefits” “forced” from your neighbors hands to provide for “you”. I also copy and pasted the scripture references from my e-sword. Everything else I wrote/typed. So I do not understand your accusation…I deny that it is a “copy and paste job” as you presume. It is revealed from on High.

    The evidence is implied by the use of the benefit which equates to agreement to all the obligations arising out of said use;

    The Court will not pass upon the constitutionality of a statute at the instance of one who has availed himself of its benefits.Ashwander v. Tennessee Valley Authority, 297 U.S. 288 (1936),

    here is the maxim;

    One who avails himself of the benefits conferred by statute cannot deny its validity.

    I have been telling you the evidence you give them that they use to move against you. I have also told you that if you take from the table of rulers that in turn took from your neighbor who was and is also covetous you will remain in your bondage to the Caesar’s, Nimrod’s, and Pharaoh’s of the world. All the evidence comes from you and the status you claim and the things you do. Tax laws are for “taxpayers”….are you one of these? Do you have things that only “taxpayers” have and use?

    You can give power and authority and control to others through contracts, agreements, and covenants, oaths, allegiance, “residence”, citizenship, the acceptance of benefits and many more avenues. Voluntary servitude through agreements. This is how they are given power. Just the action of electing men is an act of submission and agreement to the process no matter the outcome of who “sins”. They are all authoritarian benefactors.

    It can be difficult to get a job without a number, believe me I know. It is not impossible however. But one should rule out “corporate employment”. The correct form for “non-taxpayers” is a W-8BEN unless one is “effectively connected with the conduct of a trade or business within the United STATES”. Trade or business is a “word of art” which is defined as “the functions of a public office” Title 26 7701(a)(26). Here is a link;
    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/7701

    Why does the SSA apply to people that “use them”?

    Maxims of law.

    Benefits and Privileges

    • Favors from government often carry with them an enhanced measure of regulation.
    •Any one may renounce a law introduced for his own benefit.
    • No one is obliged to accept a benefit against his consent.
    • He who receives the benefit should also bear the disadvantage.
    •He who derives a benefit from a thing, ought to feel the disadvantages attending it.
    • He who enjoys the benefit, ought also to bear the burden.
    • He who enjoys the advantage of a right takes the accompanying disadvantage.
    •A privilege is, as it were, a private law.
    • A privilege is a personal benefit and dies with the person.
    • One who avails himself of the benefits conferred by statute cannot deny its validity.
    •What I approve I do not reject. I cannot approve and reject at the same time. I cannot take the benefit of an instrument, and at the same time repudiate it.

    This is how God tells us;

    Exo 23:32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
    Exo 23:33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.

    It cannot get any plainer than this. It is like I have told you all before. People seek to blame others for their own wrong doing and bondage because of their covetous practices. One needs to take responsibility for his own actions for where he is and the chains that are about his neck for his rebellion to His Maker. People have sought to force their neighbor to provide for their welfare at their neighbors expense which is the anti-thesis to “Love your neighbor as yourself”. If people take from their neighbor through the agency of government and its agents then they are just as guilty if not more guilty then the government they seek to blame. If one takes from the “rulers” at the expense of their neighbor then they belong in bondage as well because they are not willing to set their neighbor at liberty.

    Here is another couple of maxims;

    Whoever pays by mistake what he does not owe, may recover it back; but he who pays, knowing he owes nothing; is presumed to give.
    •What one has paid knowing it not to be due, with the intention of recovering it back, he cannot recover back.

    What if the government is really just a reflection of the people and their wicked hearts and covetous practices Ever wonder why the guy who promises the most usually wins? How many here have children and send them to public schools? Who pays for that? Who’s expense does that come from? Your neighbor’s property taxes? Your use of the benefit is your consent that it is ok to force your neighbor so in turn you are forced. The same judgment is rendered to you;

    Mat_7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

    this was the “bondage of Egypt” they were in for 400 years. Until you are willing to sacrifice for one another your chains will remain. Part of that sacrifice might be educating your children at home which you ought to be doing anyways seeing as they are or were your responsibility. Or did the parents give up that responsibility too and therefore lost the right to monitor what they are taught in schools seeing homosexuality is on their agenda.

    I was told I would be hated for these things long ago;

    Joh_15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

    Your continued use is your consent. Not many people want their liberty when they find out the responsibilities that are involved. Learn how to gather together to care for one another and be the welfare for one another so that none of you or your neighbor have to go to authoritarian benefactors.

    In His Peace
    Damon

  25. NonEntity Says:

    “It is revealed from on High.”

    Yeah, you’d have to be REALLY high.

    You read it somewhere. Give me a frickin break.

  26. Damon Says:

    New International Version
    I will sacrifice a freewill offering to you; I will praise your name, LORD, for it is good.
    Psalms 54:6

  27. Damon Says:

    You still want to seem to “trap” me instead of take a bite out of the meat and potatoes I keep commenting on.

    the fact is that as long as people continue to force their neighbor to provide for their welfare through the agency of another and people keep using the benefits offered at their neighbors expense they will remain slaves under tribute in a system of statutory labor. This system is where you have given up the right to choose how much you will contribute and Caesar will decide for you.

    the other system you get to decide how much you will contribute. But it takes sacrifice.

    Peace be with you.

  28. Incubus Says:

    Not you, spooky.

  29. desertspeaks Says:

    @ damon, do us all a favor and research “the victory tax act”

  30. Andy Says:

    IncuKel to the “rescue” ROTFL

  31. Damon Says:

    I briefly looked at the “victory tax act” but I am not sure what I am expected to gather from it?

    What is it suppose to change in reference to the bondage that people find themselves in due to their covetous practices?

    2Pe_2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:….

    People have been made merchandise because of their covetousness practices. All of this bondage results from disobedience to Him above. They have looked to those that have promised them liberty but are wicked themselves;

    2Pe_2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.

    Plutarch knew it;

    “The real destroyers of the liberties of the people
    is he who spreads among them bounties, donations, and benefits.” Plutarch.

    Jesus preached and died for it;

    Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
    Luk 22:26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

    The Point is this. Until people gather together in free assemblies (real ecclesia)and learn how to sacrifice for one another through free will offerings instead of forced contributions their bondage will remain.
    Unless people are willing to do what Jesus said to do and did and Moses said to do and did which is what God says to do and does
    they will remain in their bondage.

    If one buys stolen property knowing it is stolen they are accomplice and charged with such. It is the same with benefits. If you take them knowing it came at the expense of your neighbor it is covetous and a sin. It came at the expense of your neighbor by the sweat of his brow. This is not love. It is evil. This is food stamps, public education, medical care the list goes on and on. All this welfare has to come through charity that you yourself provide for and make sacrifice for.
    This is the whole point of “Love your neighbor as yourself’. We are to care for one another through faith, hope and charity under the perfect law of liberty. Not through force by electing authoritarians to lord over our neighbor and exercise authority upon them. But this is exactly what people do. It is the tyrant in us and people will gladly compel your neighbor on your behalf if you give them the authority to do it. And most people have. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

    One who avails himself of the benefits conferred by statute cannot deny its validity. MAXIM
    No one is obliged to accept a benefit against his consent. But if he does not dissent, he will be considered as assenting. MAXIM

    This should answer “what evidence do you have that the SSA applies”. Do not be so stubborn.

    Now because I tell you the truth which many do not want to hear you band together with others and result to name calling and evil intent towards me with a slanderous tongue. Even if one attempts to deny it here on this comment forum they know deep down I am telling the truth, which is why I am not ashamed of it.

    The selfish folks will result back to blaming others for their own covetousness over their neighbors goods. It is easier that way instead of looking at the real issues and problem. YOU. Taking responsibility for our own actions and statements and agreements. Owning it. If we cannot begin to see that it is our fault to begin with we might have a long way to go.

    I understand the frustration and anger. I can empathize with that. Want your rights back? Take back your responsibilities which would also include responsibility for one another. If you are not willing to set your neighbor free then you will not be set free.

    Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
    Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    What is that WORD we ought to continue in to acquire that freedom? He preached a kingdom that sets men free. The same system that Moses walked in earlier. If you remain in your unbelief your sin will remain alongside your bondage.

    One more thing. One who has the truth, real truth, does not sell it or make profit on it but would only accept offerings of support or “donations”.
    Peace be with you

  32. Incubus Says:

    Andy,

    Name one.

    (This thread is getting chaotic enough I’ll have to clarify who I’m addressing.)

  33. spooky2th Says:

    Damon said:

    “You can give power and authority and control to others through contracts, agreements, and covenants, oaths, allegiance, “residence”, citizenship, the acceptance of benefits and many more avenues.”

    ME:
    On simply cannot give what they do not have unless through fraud, deception and/or terrorism. By force, “OR ELSE!”

    Basic logic. Logic 101. Simple logic easily refutes Damon’s cut & paste jobs.

    Which of the over 600 versions of the Bible are you pasting from??? Do you have any shred of evidence that could be used in a court of law that proves the Bible is true??? Most historians know the deception but keep their mouth’s shut so as to not make waves. There is nothing original in the bible. It’s all a rehash of older religions plus bits of knowledge & wisdom known back then. Like paganism when it comes to the new testament. pagan religions had the same stories as the gospels from as far back as 1500bc. Born on Christmas of a virgin birth, the son of God, healing and performing miracles, killed then came back after 3 days, ascending to heaven and on & on. The elite stick with what works to control the masses for their benefit.

  34. desertspeaks Says:

    @ Damon, briefly looked at it? if only you could apply as much effort into researching the victory tax act AND ITS EXPIRATION, as you do to your invisible friend in the sky!

  35. damon Says:

    I usually use the King James version.

    The things I am telling you from the scriptures…are not really in line with what the elites like. Jesus is King. The scriptures tells us to not enter into contracts with the heathen governments which it identifies as the beast. Almost everyone has a mark of some form or another from this beast system that devours and consumes.

    Your not the first that are of the unbelief, but that is why you remain in your bondage and you have ears but you hear not and eyes but you see not.

    1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    I can find a few scriptures that will prove to be true for many here.

    Exo 23:32 Thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor with their gods.
    Exo 23:33 They shall not dwell in thy land, lest they make thee sin against me: for if thou serve their gods, it will surely be a snare unto thee.

    Has anyone here “served their gods”? I am willing to bet there are. Are they snared because they have made covenants (contracts/agreements) with these “gods”? That is what a lot of complain about here…the snare they are in but fail to realize it is because of their own doing usually due to their covetous practices. gods is translated from the single word Elohim which simply means judges, magistrates, and rulers. It is more often than not referencing men. Just like they call the “lords” over their in Britain or what have you. so we see this is true.

    Psa_69:22 Let their table become a snare before them: and that which should have been for their welfare, let it become a trap.

    Has that which should have been for your welfare become a snare and a trap for you? Do you work for the government for about 40 to 50% of the year to pay off your statutory labor debt? Are you trapped in a system of statutory labor where they fleece your earnings and tell you how much you will contribute. That is slavery and you are a servant if this is the case. This again is true from the Psalms I quote.

    Rom_6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;…

    Who is your lawgiver? Who do you look to for your protection, security, and authority to do the things you do? Whom do you sacrifice too? Who gets your first fruits before you even see them, you just see how much you were told to contribute by your master? Do you obey your master, if so then that is whom you serve. Who is it? So this is also true.

    Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    You all are without excuse. This is why “ignorance of the law excuse misconduct in no one”. Everyone knows it is wrong to steal, bear false witness, force their neighbor to contribute to their welfare which is covetousness and so on. You will be held accountable, and even more so now because I tell you the truth. You cannot force your neighbor or take from rulers that do to provide for your welfare and walk at liberty. Your bondage will remain.

    There is also a word for you desert;

    Psa_14:1 To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David. The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

    It is the fool that says there is no God. this is why you are stuck serving a master you hate.

    Mat_6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

    This looks to be true also.

    Either way I am here in His Peace. I see that some of you here do not come in peace but despise the truth and those that do come in peace. You simply do not like what I say and I know why.

  36. NonEntity Says:

    Demon sez., ” I see that some of you here do not come in peace but despise the truth and those that do come in peace.”

    Demon, you’re an arrogant self-righteous prick. And filled with hate and fear. (Arrogance being the manifestation of impotence born of fear.) You wouldn’t know peace if it bit you on the dick.

  37. spooky2th Says:

    I believe in God, but I don’t bother with any organized/man-made religion any more. Do you really need a book with so much evil in it, to tell you what is right & wrong??? The God of the bible was into genocide, slavery and so much more terrible things. Constantine ordered the first cannon of the Bible creating a new religion over 300 years AD. All to coral all the branches of paganism under one umbrella of his control. Written by the Pharisees, the same that Jesus was trying to warn the world about. Zionists today equals anti-human. The mega rich of Rome held all the top tier positions in the early church. The church today still hoards wealth. The gospels used in the bible appeared then too, over 300 years AD. Even the dead sea scroll that were written well into the 200’s AD there is no mention of Jesus or a new religion, No historical reference at all. I got a laugh when I heard the pope on TV quoting Confucius. He probably thought it was originally from the bible but it was actually plagiarized in the bible from Confucius, like I said there is nothing original in the Bible.

    And not a copy & paste anywhere here!?!?

    Calling us ignorant and more? Me thinks you are the ignorant one about the so-called law. There is only one universal law and that is: “Do No Harm”

    And why would you think you have to serve a master??? Creation gave us all free will. We are all creators and any man that restricts and tries to control others is evil to the core. I could go on but this isn’t the place for a spiritual talk.

  38. NonEntity Says:

    spooky2th sed, “I believe in God…”

    Okay, so what does that mean?

  39. damon Says:

    I have yet to spew names at you “non entity”. I do understand you do not like what I say though. I deny I am filled with hate and fear. Are you filled with such things? If not why speak so evil to me? Have I spoken evil?

    The “church” is impotent and people who pretend to be “Christians” are not doing what Jesus said to do but are workers of iniquity just as it is written;

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Religion is nothing more than how we care for one another concerning our duty to our Maker and our fellow man. Early dictionaries will show this. Now they would have you believe “religion” is just what one thinks about God.

    RELIGION. Real piety in practice, consisting in the performance of all known duties to God and our fellow men. Bouvier’s Dictionary of Law, 1856

    Scriptures show what pure religion is;
    Jas_1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

    That “universal law” that you refer to as “Do no harm”. Universal law is as it is written;

    Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
    Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
    Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
    Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

    The point people miss is that taking from the tables of rulers that in turn took from your neighbor will snare you and keep you in bondage. It is the very act of harming others. It also explicitly and implicitly condones the behavior of forcing your neighbor to contribute. No one here wants to force their neighbor to contribute to their welfare do they?

    I did not say you were ignorant. I said ignorance of the law is no excuse. I also quoted David who said “The fool has said in his heart there is no God”. I stand by that. Fools say things like this. there bondage is evidence of their rebellion.

    Yes you were given free will. But you are also told that if you do such and such this will happen. Like if you covet your neighbors goods you will go into bondage. Just like if you break any of the commandments and serve other gods you will go into bondage. People do this collectively. they rebel collectively and are put into bondage collectively. If one does not serve God out of a pure heart they ultimately end up in the service of an authoritarian taskmaster. No
    secret there.

    Even you said;
    “We are all creators and any man that restricts and tries to control others is evil to the core.”

    This is exactly what people are doing. they are asking the government to take from their neighbor to provide those asking with welfare and benefits. It is evil to the core and this is what I have been telling you.

    It is sin. and if you believe in God like you say you do you would do what He says to do which is what His Son said to do;

    Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
    Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love

    Damon
    a stranger and pilgrim in the earth

  40. Andy Says:

    NonEntity said: “Demon, you’re an arrogant self-righteous prick. And filled with hate and fear. (Arrogance being the manifestation of impotence born of fear.) You wouldn’t know peace if it bit you on the dick.”

    That’s because he’s a dickless disrupter.

  41. Pete Says:

    What Damon is saying is totally in line with the non aggression principle. He agrees with Marc that taking welfare payments is immoral.

    @NonEntity: why are you attacking him and not seeing that you agree on many things? Just because he uses Bible quotes?

    Please show some evidence that Damon is filled with hate and fear and that he is arrogant.

    @Damon: I don’t know why Marc Stevens doesn’t kick NonEntity off the forum and comment section for being so insulting to people. NonEntity also makes a lot of claims but refuses to give evidence. Also, you left off the best Bible quote of all from book of Judges 17:6: In those days there was no king in Israel. Everyone did what was right in his own eyes.

  42. Pete Says:

    @Marc Stevens
    @Calvin
    I think you should kick NonEntity off your comments section along with Andy. There’s no need to be using profanity and insulting people like this. You’ve done a great job over the years of keeping your website and countless audio/video uploads professional. These guys are spraying graffiti on your creation.

  43. Andy Says:

    @Pete, if you have even so much as an ounce of honesty in you you’ll take your complaints to the forum and start a thread where the posting and editing is much more robust than here.

  44. NonEntity Says:

    Demon sed, “…and if you believe in God like you say you do…”

    I’d like a quote on that, please. … OMFG!!!

  45. Pete Says:

    @NonEntity: If Damon made a claim about you without evidence, by all means, challenge him. But there is no need to call him insulting names.

    Please remember, you have made plenty of statements without evidence, and refused to give evidence when challenged. I think we’ve all done this at some point in our life, me included.

    On a side note, NonEntity: Are you truly interested in creating a voluntary society, or just criticizing, excluding, and insulting people who disagree with you? Your comments over the past five years indicate the latter.

    Damon is showing that there is a strong case for a volunaryist interpretation to many parts of the old and new testament. To me, this is great news, because it means there is a chance to awaken the MILLIONS who call themselves Christians.

    Some of the BEST VOLUNTARYIST ACTIVISTS (like the renegade turkey farmer) are Christians like Damon.

  46. Andy Says:

    Hitler said a few honest and honorable things. No wonder so many so-called Christians and Bible thumpers never quote the evil’s the Bible promotes: http://www.evilbible.com/

  47. Andy Says:

    I’m posting this now *without* the source links/URLs because if I post the URLs the post will sit in limbo waiting for Calvin(?) to approve it before posting it for others to read. The source links will be in a separate post.

    Calvin wrote: “We have made many great strides in human history when society has emancipated itself from dogmatic thought and embraced perception that is more consistent to reality. Let us remember the hardships of navigating the world using a flat earth theory, as opposed to now with adoption of the spherical nature of the earth, we’ve developed such precision technologies such as GPS systems and achieved space exploration; all of which could not have happened with a flat earth perception.”

    Pete said: “Unfortunately, there are many disinfo shills posting intentionally kooky and unbelievable videos on the flat earth subject. Eric DuBay seems to be the real deal.”

    Pete’s a flat Earther.

    Pete, how is Jeff Berwick doing with helping the people that got swindled on the Galt’s Gulch Chile project that Jeff irresponsibly persuaded them to buy into, costing/losing them close to ten million dollars?

    Pete said: Hey Marc: I hope you interview Eric DuBay. He is a vegetarian anarchist yoga instructor and martial arts practitioner living in Thailand who agrees that states are imaginary. He is also a leading proponent of the flat earth theory. I think if you watch his videos and talk to him for an hour or two, you will come away with some very strong doubts about the “science” we’ve been taught in school. He was recently interviewed by Jeff at anarchast:

  48. Andy Says:

    Calvin’s quote about flat Earth: http://marcstevens.net/nspblog/optout.html
    Pete on flat Earth: http://marcstevens.net/radioarchive/nsp20150905.html#comment-90842
    Pete on Flat Earth and Jeff Berwick: http://marcstevens.net/radioarchive/nsp20150905.html#comment-90824

    The forum is robust and doesn’t have the drawbacks of this comment section.

  49. Crazy Says:

    Wow!

    None, as to Faith, I think you mean blind Faith?

    I have never met a true Christian, just claimed Christians or Christians that believe they are saved, What ever that means? In fact I have never met a true Muslim either, what can I say, I still waiting, and looking.

    As to belief in God, Whether you believe or not is not important, as you will soon find out, LOL, and then it may be to late either way. But it might be better to hedge your bets, just in case, What have you got to lose but. My best advice is to keep it to yourself, unless you like proselytizing opinions all over that damn place.

    My belief is, that if religion becomes a source of division, best to not have religion at all, and this includes the religion of government, as unity and respect is what is drastically missing in the world.

    As to cutting and pasting all of other peoples opinions, whether that be the religion of government or the religion of mythical beings; Why? would anyone post other peoples opinions as facts, claim they are facts And then make numerous statements that everything is voluntary? There is so little in this world that is really voluntary, every time you turn around some psychopath nut job is ready to shoot, kill or mane you, or throw you in a bad place called prison based on some other psychopaths written opinion, and at best you might escape it if you only give them some other jerk offs creation of script that your are technically forced to use just to survive, (meaning dead psychopaths pictures.) And they try to call this voluntary?

    Maybe some true definition of voluntary is needed here as my definition is completely different than others. I don’t believe that voluntary should have a following threat from psychos……maybe I’m missing something?

    Maxims, give me a break!
    Maxims of law, I think these should really be psychopathic opinions of law? Since they contradict themselves even in use.

    And they call me Crazy? At least I know why I am, What a F’d up crazy land (world)this is.

    Just call me Crazy!

  50. Andy Says:

    Using the Socratic method you’ll never run out of questions to ask. Knowledge begets new knowledge. Man advances technology exponentially. I’m betting that a conscious being with thousands or millions of years more advanced technology than what has been achieved by Earthlings created this Universe. I have no need to believe in mystical/mythical gods when my five senses tell me conscious beings are the most powerful force in the Universe. By powerful I mean, the power to create that which nature alone doesn’t “produce”.

  51. Pete Says:

    @Andy: My $100 challenge remains. Show any evidence I ever claimed the earth is flat and I’ll donate $100 to Marc Stevens. If you can’t, that makes you a liar when you call me a “flat-earther.” Heck, let’s make it $500. You in, Andy? Or are you (Buck-buck-buckuk!) chicken?

    Regarding you using Calvin as a human shield: Like all of us, Calvin once believed laws applied and states were real. He no longer does because he questioned everything regarding states and laws. According to Andy’s quotes, Calvin believes the earth is a spinning globe. But has Calvin tested it for himself? Has Calvin tested for earth curvature? What evidence does Calvin have that so called “GPS” and so-called “Satellite TV” could ONLY BE POSSIBLE with a globe model? Unlike you, I think Calvin seems like the kind of person who would be inquisitive and open minded about testing his own reality and challenging the same “scientific” people who have been caught red-handed lying to us hundreds of times. I don’t think Calvin would feel that challenging the status quo is any kind of a threat. I think he would embrace any and all challenges to all knowledge, even if the ideas seem impossible or weird at first. Isn’t that what science is all about?

    (In earlier posts I also proved Andy to be incapable of 10th grade math with his untested and incorrect “8 inches per mile” earth curvature. Seems he has is also a hypocrite because he preaches the socratic method yet he refuses to even test or prove his own math, let alone admit when he has made a minor error!)

    @Crazy: You have never met a true Christian nor a true Muslim, but every day you use products and services provided voluntarily by people who believe in Jesus and Allah. Look around you…99% of what we consume is produced and transported by someone else for profit by people with beliefs different than our own. Are you so committed to your anti-religion stance to refuse food grown by a phony christian? Will you refuse to wear clothes sewn by a brainwashed Hindu in Bangladesh? What about your computer or cell phone built on another continent by a bunch of fake, hypocritical, phony Buddhists? I agree with Marc Stevens who says it doesn’t matter what people believe…so long as they don’t force their beliefs on me or anyone else. Do you disagree with Marc Stevens, Crazy?

    This website is supposed to be about BUILDING a voluntary society. If this voluntary society is to be built, it will include a lot of people with beliefs and opinions different than your own. People like Crazy, NonEntity and Andy seem committed to driving unhelpful wedges between people, instead of trying to build a peaceful world.

  52. NonEntity Says:

    Crazy sed, “What have you got to lose but.”

    Well, if you don’t think that dismissing rationality is a problem, shit… go for it! The idea of rejecting logic is as close to insanity as I can imagine. I mean, making mistakes is one thing, working with faulty data is another, but consciously CHOOSING to reject the only tool man has for learning reality…?!? Those who CHOOSE to reject examinig certain data because it is in conflict with something someone told them deserve nothing but utter contempt. Sure, you may be too busy or whatever, everyone has choices to make, but to actively CHOOSE ignorance… there are no words.

  53. Andy Says:

    @Pete, I checked the math and you’re right and I was wrong. You said you were going to donate $100.00 to Marc anyways. Did you?

    Also, that you’re not convinced the Earth is round and not a flat plane, puts you so weighted toward being a flat Earther that I called you one. Sorry if that rubbed you the wrong way. Seems a conflict of interest considering the abundant evidence that Earth is round that you would of had to dismiss, for you to take offence to being called a flat Earther seems to contradict your dismal of evidence supporting round Earth. Is calling a person a flat Earther a derogatory term? Is calling a person a statist a derogatory term?

  54. spooky2th Says:

    @ NonE

    Belief in GOD, to me , means I believe in intelligent design.

  55. Incubus Says:

    “Please remember, you have made plenty of statements without evidence, and refused to give evidence when challenged. I think we’ve all done this at some point in our life, me included.” – Pete

    I’m currently in correspondence with someone just like that. Well, I was. He seems to have scampered off.

    “That’s because he’s a dickless disrupter.” – Andy

    Speaking of dickless, Andy.

    “@Pete, if you have even so much as an ounce of honesty in you you’ll take your complaints to the forum and start a thread where the posting and editing is much more robust than here.” – Andy

    Speaking of honesty, Andy. Are you going to back up your words or keep avoiding me?

  56. Andy Says:

    Ignoring IncuKel

  57. spooky2th Says:

    Damon said:
    “Have I spoken evil?”

    Yes, I’d say you have spoken evil. Trying to put the fear of Christianity into others here. The simple fact that it is a “fear” based religion should be a red flag to anybody that can think critically and for them selves. Like government, fear based.

    The Scriptures were written by evil men with seriously bad intentions directed by Constantine who headed up a very sick and corrupt Roman government. Christians can’t seem to get their noses out of the Bible and away from that duality. Like governments, corporation and government corporation which are called fictions for a very good reason. They are just an idea and exist only on paper if at all. Fictions are what men (the elite) use to subvert, rob and control others. Every one’s path to God is different. Man-made religions force people into a ridged path of what evil men want people to follow. Even atheists and satanists are on their own path to God, whether they realized it or not.

    Do a search, “Jesus in India.” There’s plenty of evidence that he escaped the crucifixion and fled back to India where he lived before returning back to the middle east. He is entombed in Kashmir. The Indian government put out an official documentary of his life in India. There is even a lake named after him where he used to swim. Rabbi Jesus, was just a man and I sure don’t believe all the supernatural nonsense about him.

    The main problem that I see with Christians is that they are trapped in a make believe duality like most everybody these days. They cannot seem to get their noses past the Bible.

    This is my last post here. Not gonna continue a spiritual talk here as it is like trying to get proof of jurisdiction from a quatlooser, a wserra type. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him think for him self.

  58. NonEntity Says:

    spooky2th sed, “@ NonE Belief in GOD, to me , means I believe in intelligent design.”

    Turtles all the way down.
    Or put another way, your argument is circular.

  59. Incubus Says:

    What is an IncuKel supposed to mean? And why are you avoiding answering me?

  60. spooky2th Says:

    Nope, I am not arguing anything here. A belief is not an argument. I am confident in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.

    And it is sideways, not down. 🙂

  61. spooky2th Says:

    my belief is sideways, not circular, is what I meant to type.

  62. damon Says:

    I deny I have used any “fear based” statements or the like or a “fear based religion”.

    Religion is mans duty towards his fellow man and to God. Socialism IS in FACT and in DEED a religion and it is the religion that most people have opted for. Religion IS NOT ones opinion or what one thinks about God. Muslims, self proclaimed “Christians”, “atheists”, and all the rest practice the SAME RELIGION. It is called socialism. It is how they care for one another and take care of the “widows and orphans and those in need”.

    Simply telling you why and how one remains in their bondage is not speaking evil in the least. Telling you how to break those bands of bondage is quite the opposite of evil. I have continuously pointed out the bondage that everyone is in and have told you all the reasons why. I have also told you that to be free you must set your neighbor free in truth and love. You must also have a way to care for one another in times of hardships and care for those that cannot care for themselves. The way to do this that will preserve everyone’s liberty is outlined in the Divinely Inspired Scriptures. It takes real sacrifice out of a pure heart through free will offerings given to a “minister” (man of service to God and therefore the people) who will give according to the needs of the people. It is a pattern of tens, hundreds and thousands all working together WITHOUT the use of force.

    I do not preach “Christianity” nor do I claim to be one nor did Jesus. God does not call His children “Christians”. Christian is a name the heathen gave followers of the Living Messiah, Jesus the Christ and was first used at Antioch where they suffered much persecution because they would NOT accept the benefits of Rome.

    You will not have a “voluntary society” that lasts very long without a virtuous people willing to sacrifice for their neighbor and set them free from forcing them to contribute to their welfare by appointing authoritarian benefactors. If you can not even set your neighbor free now how will you even get to a “voluntary society”? If you send your children to public schools you are keeping your neighbor in bondage. If you take welfare or SSI or any benefit that comes at the expense of your neighbor your bondage WILL REMAIN guaranteed!

    Spiritual often refers to a “mental disposition” in the scriptures. This “spirit” and your liberty are woven and linked. you cannot separate it. They try and you see the results….bondage to taskmasters that tell you how much you will contribute. That is why the heathen (those of the unbelief) always end up in bondage to their taskmasters and stay under the judgment of God’s righteousness.

    you are correct Jesus was just a man, the Son of the Living God raised on the third day and appointed a kingdom that He appointed unto those that seek liberty for their neighbor through service. those that do the will of the Father through obedience. This obedience is “love your neighbor as you love yourself”.

    On a side note….scriptures do not proclaim a “hell” as a place of eternal torment as some would have you believe, it simply means the grave or the pit, in the earth. Nor is there a super demon named “satan” or a “devil” but it actually refers to the principle of sin within us not a spiritual being without. Those are fictions of men born and bread from the doctrines of men. These are some of the “fantasies” that turn many away that are simply not true.

    Jesus gave His people a kingdom that is from generation to generation. The current “churches for profit” are not representatives of the Most High but are workers of iniquity. The time will come very soon that people will have to learn to gather together to care for one another or they will go down with the sinking ship called the “United STATES”.

    Your in error that there are “many” ways to God, spooky. People may be on different roads and God can meet anyone where they are at if they are willing to hear. There is but one way to the Father, just one for all men;

    Joh_14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

    again , everyone of you here is without excuse because every single one of you know to treat others as you would be treated, ALL LAW EVERYWHERE HANGS ON THIS COMMANDMENT AND THE OTHER;

    You all are without excuse and therefore accountable to your actions;

    Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
    Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
    Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
    Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
    Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    One of the things that is manifest is you all knowing that “you ought to treat others as you should be treated”. This is why we have no excuse. We are chargeable, but some refuse to repent and turn the other way and release their neighbor from their shackles that they themselves have placed upon them.

    Damon
    a stranger and pilgrim in the earth.

  63. spooky2th Says:

    When reading damon’s post, the term “useful fools” comes to mind. Coined by Stalin, I think, when describing people that were espousing the greatness of communism. All the leaders in the highest places knew that communism was a terrible repressive and murderess ideology but the masses brainwashed with it from birth could not get their minds back to reality, down to earth.

    All things are not what they seem to be. It is really hard for one to learn that most all things they have been taught is a lie.

    The king james version was written under the supervision of king james. Mr James did not like what a lot of what was said in the bible that was being used so he ordered it re-written. There’s a whole lot of deletions and re-writes. On top of that there are over 36,000 translation errors. Now Sir Francis Bacon and Robert Fludd, the Grand Master of the Priory of Sion during that period who re-wrote the bible were very intelligent men and I seriously doubt that they were just mistakes but by design changing meanings and etc completely. Intentional errors, designed to mislead. The whole book of Jubilees was deleted! Probably because it contained the last references to reincarnation. There were a lot more references in older bibles. And in older bibles, God was always written in plural and in the Gods.

    There are more than 600 versions of “the” Bible. When you have more than 600 DIFFERENT edited interpretations of what is contained within “the” Bible, you are not dealing with a single ‘authoritative’ source of reference. You are dealing with over 600 DIFFERENT sources of reference, none of which can lay claim to infallibility. All have been re-witten too.

    The elite have been changing it all through out the centuries to suite them selves. It’s all a power & control game with the elite.

    Forgery during the first centuries of the Church’s existence was admittedly
    rampant, so common in fact, that a new phrase was coined to describe it:

    *”pious fraud.”*

  64. damon Says:

    the scriptures are not the reason for your bondage. You are not under tribute to the Caesars of the world because you follow the Bible but contra wise, because you do not,

    2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

    All the other stuff you wrote is from pre-misconceptions from a spirit of unbelief. It is because people have been slothful in caring for one another that they remain under tribute, but you will not hear it. People have not been diligent in the “golden rule” and therefore have gone under tribute to their taskmasters and now found not able to bear the sting of their whip,

    Pro_12:24 The hand of the diligent shall bear rule: but the slothful shall be under tribute.

    If your slothful your under tribute and rightfully so. Just keep telling yourself the things you try to tell me spooky, believe them too, and your going to remain a slave to benefactors that exercise authority.

    the authoritarians do not write what I quote here… as you would have me suppose
    Damon
    a stranger and pilgrim in the earth

  65. NonEntity Says:

    spooky2th sed: Nope, I am not arguing anything here. A belief is not an argument. I am confident in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof.

    spooky, I too am confident there is much I am ignorant of. All I’m saying is that the idea that there.must be an intelligence behind the current.state of evolution must logically presuppose another intelligence preceeding that one… and so on ad infinitum. You may not be arguing, but the gist of your stated belief refutes itself. I can say I believe 1 + 1 = 3 and also proclaim it’s just my belief and that I’m not arguing the point. That in no way changes the fact that such belief is logically inconsistent with reality.

    That said, I must.say that whatever the motivating spirit.is that amimates all life forms is quite amazing. 🙂

  66. Andy Says:

    Ignoring IncubKel

  67. spooky2th Says:

    The people who are finding solace in the pages of the Bible have been crippled by it in the first place. They are not told they are divine incarnations but horrible sinners, pathetic wretches in the eyes of a glorious God. The Judeo-Christian ideology creates the schism between human beings and God in the first place by utterly separating God out of creation. It then promises that it holds the keys to reuniting man with God. It’s an extortion racket.

    Quotes:

    “Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and tortuous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel.”
    Thomas Paine

    “The Bible is not the “word of God,” but stolen from pagan sources. Its Eden, Adam and Eve were taken from the Babylonian accounts; its Flood and Deluge is but an epitome of some four hundred flood accounts; its Ark and Ararat have their equivalents in a score of Deluge myths; even the names of Noah’s sons are copies, so also Isaac’s sacrifice, Solomon’s judgment, and Samson’s pillar acts; its Moses is fashioned after the Syrian Mises; its laws after Hammurabi’s code. Its Messiah is derived from the Egyptian Mahdi, Savior, certain verses are verbatim copies of Egyptian scriptures. Between Jesus and the Egyptian Horus, Gerald Massy found 137 similarities, and those between Christ and Krishna run into the hundreds. How then can the Bible be a revelation to the Jews?”
    Lloyd Graham

    “In every country and every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot … they have perverted the purest religion ever preached to man into mystery and jargon, unintelligible to all mankind, and therefore the safer engine for their purpose.”
    Thomas Jefferson, to Horatio Spafford, March 17, 1814

    “History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance, of which their political as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purpose.”
    Thomas Jefferson to Baron von Humboldt, 1813

    “Jesus loves me, this I know, for the Bible tells me so.” The religious indoctrination of children often begins with the lyrics of this song, which unfortunately instill in them an uncritical attitude that many will take to their graves. The sentiment of the song is that children need only the mere say-so of the Bible in order to know that Jesus loves them. From there, they go on to believe that anything the Bible says has to be true, because… well, because the Bible says it.”
    Farrell Till

    “The question before the human race is, whether the God of Nature shall govern the world by his own laws, or whether priests and kings shall rule it by fictitious miracles?”
    John Adams

    The Bible is a blueprint of in-group morality, complete with instructions for genocide, enslavement of out-groups, and world domination.
    John Hartung

    Hopefully one day, your eyes will open and you will be able to free your self from all the traps of this man’s world. Especially man-made religion.

  68. jay Says:

    What evidence do you have I have a California address, which california? how do you define what is an address? Is that a legal or political statement? etc.. Can I see your bond.

    As for the 1098, the State relies on info we give the issuer of the 1098. Give notice of the mistake and that takes care of that issue.

  69. Marc Stevens Says:

    @ Jay, I wish it were that easy. The companies who issue the 1098 are scared of the IRS/FTB, they don’t care there is no evidence proving jurisdiction. I’ve already tried that route, they will not withdraw the 1098.

  70. Boxer Says:

    Especially man-made religion.

    Is there another kind?

  71. Crazy Says:

    We have a saying in what my beliefs are: God is an unknowable essence.

    I can see some of the works which proves something happened, but at this stage in my existence, I do not have the ability to understand and know how or why it happened. But I definitely can’t deny that it never happened.

    We should think of ourselves as polished and clean mirrors, and our job is to clean all of the crap off of them as fast as others throw the crap on. I guess I’m going to be doing a lot of cleaning tonight. Holly Crap!

    And after reading all of this, your evidence is where?

  72. spooky2th Says:

    @ Nonentity

    I have listened to various Physicists, my favorite Nassim Haramein, from Hawaii. Talking about all life and matter has the same pattern. Sacred geometry. Check out this one from about the 11:30 mark.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TivS3vw7EI

    Or watch the whole thing.
    Youtube search: Nassim Haramein

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Nassim+Haramein

    You can divide by “2” forever. Or multiply by “2” forever. Or any other number. infinity

  73. Boxer Says:

    “We have a saying…”

    Scary words. Those are the same words attorneys use just before they victimize you for not understanding them…..

  74. Crazy Says:

    There was nothing in what I posted that even remotely sounded like an attack, and you want to compare me to attorneys…….WOW!

    I guess I’ll refrain from posting to that I don’t offend anyone for sharing a thought or ideal.

  75. Crazy Says:

    OOOps,

    Should read, I guess I’ll refrain from posting and sharing a thought or ideal, so that I don’t offend anyone,

  76. damon Says:

    Your failing to realize Spooky that the “genocide” and enslavement is always the works of men’s hands…not Gods. Just because there have been some that have used His name in vain to commit their atrocities is a pretty weak reason to hold to your preconceptions.

    He has shown the way to true prosperity but it requires something on your part…sacrifice and the love of your neighbor’s liberty as much as your own. If everyone was looking out for everyone else’s well being and welfare no one would be going to the benefactor’s that have forced the contributions through compacts and agreements through the peoples ignorance;

    Hos_4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

    It is easy to grab quotes from heathens that have been made famous. Steven Hawkings, Bill Gates, and on and on. You could find a great many of men that are of the unbelief and they will receive the recompense of their reward…they are under the same bondage and snare as most.

    Your bondage is a direct result of your rebellion to Him above. It is from our own sloth and apathy. We have been covetous and it is hard to admit. It is likely that your parents have sold you into bondage to the authoritarian benefactors due to their covetous practices and have borrowed from the future generations. They have made “covenants” with the gods about them and now it has snared not only them but you as well.

    “Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:” Exodus 34:12

    They did not consider diligently what was set before them before they took from the tables of these rulers because they were given to appetite of their neighbors goods;

    Pro 23:1 When thou sittest to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before thee:
    Pro 23:2 And put a knife to thy throat, if thou be a man given to appetite.
    Pro 23:3 Be not desirous of his dainties: for they are deceitful meat.

    This is why we are given continual witness throughout the Scriptures from and about men of God, like Daniel who would not defile himself with the “kings meat” like so many today have;

    Dan_1:8 But Daniel purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself with the portion of the king’s meat, nor with the wine which he drank: therefore he requested of the prince of the eunuchs that he might not defile himself.

    There are some history books you may be unaware of;

    In Edward Gibbon’s “Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire”, he praised “the union and discipline of the Christian republic.” He also pointed out that “it gradually formed an independent and increasing state in the heart of the Roman Empire.”

    why did the Roman Empire collapse? America is currently a mirror image of it. Rome started as a republic then lost their way. they devalued their money, broke up the family, free bread and circuses (today its reality t.v. and food stamps) loose fiscal policy, abortions were encouraged alongside homosexuality and amoral behavior and so on.

  77. damon Says:

    Here is a “copy and paste” for you from a friend

    Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were presenting a plan and strategy to liberate whole nations from both religious and civil bondage. They spoke about ‘one form of government’ that would ‘set the captive free’.

    Most people don’t know – or want to know – how it worked. Few have the virtue and character to pursue that plan, even if they understood it. Fortunately, it does not take the majority, but only a diligent minority who care about each other’s rights and welfare as much as they care about their own.

    Abraham came out of Haran with many “souls”.5 Moses brought thousands out of the civil bondage of Egypt. And Jesus preached the kingdom of God getting the faithful cast out of the civil Corban of the Pharisees6 which had made the “word of God of none effect” according to Mark 7:13.

    What many people do not realize is that those systems were all social welfare states, where governments offered entitlements and protection funded at the expense of their neighbor. “Everyone wants to live at the expense of the state. They forget that the state lives at the expense of everyone.”7

    According to the Bible, we are not to covet our neighbor’s goods, yet modern governments and their churches say it is acceptable to take from your neighbor for your personal welfare or benefit as long as you use the authority of government as your benefactor.8

    Nothing could be farther from the truth. Any system that forces contributions of some for the personal gain of others is rejecting the fundamental laws of God, to “love thy neighbor as thyself”9 and “not covet anything that is your neighbor’s”.10
    http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/planb.php

    It will not change no matter what illusion one wants to believe…unless you free your neighbor you will not be free but will remain under tribute.

    Who here among you can take in offerings because the people that congregate here trust you to do the right thing with what they donate? Which is to care for those in need. Who is going to care for the needy in your voluntary society? Who are you going to trust to take in offerings? Who is willing to sacrifice for one another? Who is going to give? Everybody wants their freedom but they do not want the responsibility that goes along with it. Who among us here possess the virtue it takes? Ya, you can mitigate the damage of a “traffic ticket” from time to time now but what about the future generations and your children ? What about the people later on, do you want to set them free? Well that takes sacrifice now. People keep asking for evidence but they fail to realize that their bondage IS the evidence of their own corruption and covetous practices that they need to turn from.
    Damon

  78. Boxer Says:

    Crazy

    Not what I meant but, please, by all means, take it personal and threaten not to post again.

  79. Incubus Says:

    Is IncuKel meant to be an insult or is it an inside joke I’m missing?

    Ignoring me, Andy? Figures. I pegged you for disingenuous a mile away. Go troll somewhere else. “Ten years” my ass. You’ve barely been on this earth long enough to hit puberty.

  80. Andy Says:

    It’s you — who you are. Very coy of you to ask, I’ll give you that much.

    “You’ve barely been on this earth long enough to hit puberty.”

    Speaking of troll comments, you’re looking in the mirror, you do realize that, don’t you? Probably not. Disingenuous??? You say that when it is you that put forth the premise that you know the meeting of the minds that Marc and his client had for you to know what the point/goal of their agreement was.

    IncubKel said: “The point is to get the attack dropped.”

    Maybe the point of Marc’s and the client’s agreement was that if he could get the fine to be less than a hundred dollars the client would be good with that outcome. Maybe the client wanted to pursue it in court and then on appeal regardless of how much money it would cost. Maybe the point/goal of their agreement was to expose as many of the “government” agent(s) lies/frauds as possible. Your comment pegged the irony meter.

    I don’t dare say I know for fact what Marc’s client’s dime was paying for, because I don’t know. Your arrogance in your first comment speaks for you. As I said, if you think you can do better, go for it. You seem to know for a fact that had Marc not had the specific composure/demeanor he had he would have still persuaded the “government” agent to admit they had no evidence to prove the laws apply to the client.

    Also from your first comment, you said: “As infuriating as it may be dealing with these people, your approach isn’t helping.”

    That’s as smarmy as it is condescending and arrogant as is the rest of your first comment. Marc’s approach did help get the “government” agent to admit they had no evidence to prove the laws apply to the client.

  81. spooky2th Says:

    It is just so sad to me that christians just cannot debate anything with out adding their bible quotes. The bible say this, the bible says that. They ignor all the bad and evil. There is just enough good and truth in it to get you hooked. Like propaganda contains just enough truth or sense to make it sound legit. The bible was created by Caesars and edited by Caesars over the centuries.

    Deuteronomy 12:27
    And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

    The bible is chock full of blood sacrifice- human blood sacrifice. Most christians rely on what their preacher has to say and/or are too lazy or mentally challenged to read and study for themselves. How many people bother to REALLY THINK?? In addition to the blatant human blood sacrifices for jehova, bloodbath after bloodbath took place under the direction and orders of this bloodthirsty entity in the form of numerous wars and other acts of inhumanity.

    Exodus 22:29 “Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.”

    Ezekiel 20:25-26 “Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good and judgments whereby they should not live;

    20:26 “And I polluted them in their own gifts in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.”

    Samuel 21 is another example of blood sacrifice to appease Jehova.

    21:6 Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the Lord in Gib’e-ah of Saul, whom the Lord did choose.

    21:9 And he delivered them into the hands of the Gib’e-on-ites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord: and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first days, in the beginning of barley harvest.

    21:10 And Riz’pah the daughter of A-i’ah took sackcloth, and spread it for her upon the rock, from the beginning of harvest until water dropped upon them out of heaven, and suffered neither the birds of the air to rest on them by day, nor the beasts of the field by night.

    When seven men are murdered in cold blood in order to appease Jehova in hopes that he will end a famine, it can only be called human blood sacrifice.

    You cannot say that these passages were because of men? Except that they probably were. Probably men with a warped idea of what God was. All this evil is to scare people into compliance, like modern government today. Comply or else! Pay up or else! The easiest way to control the masses back then was with a scary God.

    The bible, especially the old testament seems to have been written by the Ferengi, the funny looking little aliens that the enterprise used to encounter. The ones with their economic rules of trade like it was OK to swindle, kill, lie to and etc of others but not a fellow ferengi. Much like the talmud.

    And this was the God, that Jesus supposedly prayed to? I bet rabbi Jesus is turning over in his tomb in Kashmir, and mad as hell that an evil religion was created in his name. Much less that evil book with all the phony gospels about him.

  82. NonEntity Says:

    But spooky, the LOVE, the LOVE! 😉

  83. desertspeaks Says:

    Damon, has your screaming bible verses ever won a court case for anyone, ever?
    NOPE! Moving on!

  84. Incubus Says:

    “It’s you — who you are. Very coy of you to ask, I’ll give you that much.”

    Huh?

    What I’m looking at is a little boy whose mother should have never allowed him to get on the internet, because now he is in waaaay over his head.

    “You say that when it is you that put forth the premise that you know the meeting of the minds that Marc and his client had for you to know what the point/goal of their agreement was.”

    Actually, that began with you, Andy. You were the first to make such a bold assertion.

    “@Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point. Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.”
    Remember?

    “ ‘IncubKel said: “The point is to get the attack dropped.’
    Maybe the point of Marc’s and the client’s agreement was that if he could get the fine to be less than a hundred dollars the client would be good with that outcome. Maybe the client wanted to pursue it in court and then on appeal regardless of how much money it would cost. Maybe the point/goal of their agreement was to expose as many of the “government” agent(s) lies/frauds as possible. Your comment pegged the irony meter.”
    Yeah. Maybe it is. I suppose neither of us can know for sure. So then why did you say:
    “@Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point. Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.”
    Remember? How’s that for irony, you hypocrite?

    “I don’t dare say I know for fact what Marc’s client’s dime was paying for, because I don’t know.”

    Except for when you said,
    “@Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point. Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.”
    Remember?

    “Your arrogance in your first comment speaks for you”

    I was stating an opinion. I found Marc’s call less professional than others he’s had in the past, and in turn, less effective. My constructive criticisms in my first post can be summed up with the old adage “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.” Even Marc admitted “I was less than professional on this call.” Remember? Or did you gloss right over that because it fits so perfectly with my criticism?

    “You seem to know for a fact that had Marc not had the specific composure/demeanor he had he would have still persuaded the “government” agent to admit they had no evidence to prove the laws apply to the client.”

    You seem to know for a fact that Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.
    You said:

    “@Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point. Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.”

    Remember?

    “Also from your first comment, you said: ‘As infuriating as it may be dealing with these people, your approach isn’t helping.’
    That’s as smarmy as it is condescending and arrogant as is the rest of your first comment.”
    Really? That’s smarmy, condescending, and arrogant to you? Give me a break.

    “Do you have an all knowing crystal ball that tells you he would have gotten the admittance otherwise?”

    THAT’S smarmy, Andy.
    And you know what? You’re right. I don’t know for sure. Technically, I can’t. I don’t have a crystal ball. Neither do you. So what’s your excuse? You said:

    “@Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point. Marc’s composure was necessary to persuade the agent to admit he had no evidence.”
    Remember?

    “@Incubus, obviously you missed *the* point.”

    THAT’S condescending and arrogant, Andy. *The* point. You speak so authoritatively.

    “@Incubus, can you write more strawmen to kick the stuffing out of than the several in your last comment/post?”

    Still waiting for you to point out just one of those “several strawmen”, Andy.

  85. Andy Says:

    @IncubKel,

    I wrote: “Your arrogance in your first comment speaks for you”

    IncubuKel said: “I was stating an opinion. I found Marc’s call less professional than others he’s had in the past, and in turn, less effective. My constructive criticisms in my first post can be summed up with the old adage “You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.” Even Marc admitted “I was less than professional on this call.” Remember? Or did you gloss right over that because it fits so perfectly with my criticism?”

    I know that Marc said at that part of the call he wasn’t professional.

    You said in your first comment: “As infuriating as it may be dealing with these people, your approach isn’t helping.”

    You heard Marc get the agent to admit he had no evidence and to you, Marc’s approach isn’t helping. I assume next you’ll be trying to sell the readers a bridge connecting Brooklyn to Manhattan.

    And this, that you wrote: “my constructive criticisms …”

    HA! Your an Eddie Haskell in the age of Internet.

    You’re a hoot! Get over yourself.

  86. damon Says:

    Metaphors for a system of social welfare that operates on free will offerings instead of forced contributions;

    Deuteronomy 12:27
    And thou shalt offer thy burnt offerings, the flesh and the blood, upon the altar of the LORD thy God: and the blood of thy sacrifices shall be poured out upon the altar of the LORD thy God, and thou shalt eat the flesh.

    It is “burnt” because once donated you relinquish all control over it. It takes your “flesh and blood” to earn that sacrifice that is poured on the altar. Your heart is pumping that blood while you labor for that sacrifice (free will offering). The altar of the Lord is “unhewn stones” which refers to people. The same word for a gathering of stones means a gathering of people which is where the offering was to be “sacrificed” and “burnt”.

    The newer witnesses explain all of this;

    1Pe_2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

    Desert we do not scream Scriptures. And yes we have been set at liberty for speaking the truth. No charges were filed, no fees, no fines, no tickets, and they did not even set us in front of the magistrate. They could not acquire jurisdiction. This was no insurance, no license, not registered with the state. A van we use to have. We gave them our Family bible and the Scriptures for identification. This is still irrelevant unless one is willing to set their neighbor at liberty.

    moving on;

    Exodus 22:29 “Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.”

    still talking about a system of social welfare that operates on free will offerings. Your “first fruits” are taken before you even see them to contribute to someone else’s welfare through force and covetousness through the system of social welfare you have chosen. The above is telling you to do it out of charity which cannot be taxed where you get to decide how much you will contribute. This takes love of ones neighbor. The firstborn were to be trained as “ministers” called Levites in the older scriptures.

    Your posting scriptures and looking at them through carnal eyes.

    20:26 “And I polluted them in their own gifts in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the womb that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know that I am the Lord.”

    Register your children = pass through the fire. Register your children is basically an emancipation where the STATE assumes the role of Patronus and you as the father have given up your responsibility. He will make you desolate and pass judgment upon all heathen. those are those that continue to “pray” to authoritarian benefactors to exercise authority over their neighbor to proved welfare at their neighbors expense.

    The wicked will be punished…what is your point with posting this scripture? You post them thinking you know what is being said but you do not;

    1Co_2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    Just like when Pharaoh told Moses;

    Exo 5:7 Ye shall no more give the people straw to make brick, as heretofore: let them go and gather straw for themselves.
    Exo 5:8 And the tale of the bricks, which they did make heretofore, ye shall lay upon them; ye shall not diminish ought thereof: for they be idle; therefore they cry, saying, Let us go and sacrifice to our God.

    The bricks and straw are metaphors for taxes and benefits. Egypt was a social welfare STATE just like Rome just like Europe and America today. The “sacrifice” they are referring to is what we ought to be doing for one another. We read the scriptures and we think we know what they are saying and we really do not, is what I am pointing out. Just like when it talks about a “satan”….it is not literal but figurative for the principle of sin within us not a spiritual being outside of us.

    so when we go posting scriptures, one might want to think a minute about what is really being said. God often spoke in parables or metaphors….it has always confounded those that thought they were wise and still does to this day.

    Mic 3:2 Who hate the good, and love the evil; who pluck off their skin from off them, and their flesh from off their bones;
    Mic 3:3 Who also eat the flesh of my people, and flay their skin from off them; and they break their bones, and chop them in pieces, as for the pot, and as flesh within the caldron.

    Literal….no man it is not.

    Talking about everyone taking a bite out of everyone else. Everyone is loving the evil and they are all put in the pot ready to be devoured while they devour one another (pluck the flesh off their bones) until they have nothing left. Everyone is eating out everyone else’s substance through force (lovers of evil. Everyone is all mixed in…the republicans the democrats the muslims the this and that and the other all mixed in thinking they all believe and do differently when in fact they all believe and do the same thing. Force their neighbor to contribute to their welfare. that is their religion because that is how they care for one another.

    in His Peace
    Damon

  87. Incubus Says:

    @ Sandy Vagina,

    “HA! Your an Eddie Haskell in the age of Internet.”

    Has somebody been staying up late watching TV Land, catching up on episodes they couldn’t see growing up? Does your mother know you’ve been staying up so late?

    “And this, that you wrote: ‘my constructive criticisms …'”

    Yep. That’s what they are. When you grow up you’ll learn that people have differing opinions. You can’t throw a temper tantrum every time someone expresses one. Hopefully Mama Andrew instills that in her angry, baby boy, before shes passes. Who knows, when you finally graduate high school you might even have mastered that 10th grade math Pete schooled your ass on.

    “You’re a hoot! Get over yourself.”

    Take a look in that proverbial mirror and repeat that back to yourself, bud. Now, go back to the Jan/Clint camp you came from. “Ten years”. You’ve been here ten days and I already ousted you for the troll you are. Find somewhere else. The internet is vast.

    I’m done with you. You can run along and play with your toys.

  88. Pete Says:

    @Damon: Thanks for taking the time to write all these examples of anti-welfare Bible quotes! I seem to be the one guy who appreciated reading your posts…thanks again! I also appreciate how you kept your composure and never over-reacted to NonEntity and Andy calling you childish, insulting names. I learned from that…good job, Damon!

    Have you considered printing a one-sided flyer that summarizes this anti-welfare Bible info in less than 5 paragraphs and sticking it under windshield wipers at busy churches in your area on Sunday mornings? I think you would have a much larger impact doing that with your time than posting messages on this website.

  89. damon Says:

    Hello Pete and peace be with you,

    We actually have a network of people that are doing what I am talking about here. We gather together in free assemblies all over the country in faith, hope, and charity under the perfect law of liberty, learning how to care for one another so that no one has to go to benefactors that exercise authority. We are a peculiar people that do not want to force our neighbor to contribute to our welfare.

    The whole of scripture is about the governments of men (bondage) and the government of God (liberty). Here is a scripture about socialism’s “one purse”,

    Pro 1:10 My son, if sinners entice thee, consent thou not.
    Pro 1:11 If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause:
    Pro 1:12 Let us swallow them up alive as the grave; and whole, as those that go down into the pit:
    Pro 1:13 We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:
    Pro 1:14 Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:
    Pro 1:15 My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:
    Pro 1:16 For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.
    Pro 1:17 Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.
    Pro 1:18 And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.
    Pro 1:19 So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.

    I post here because I see some confusion with taxes and the blame is going in the wrong place along with the energy that follows it. His children plant the seeds, then another can come and water that seed but it is God that always gives the increase.

    in His Peace
    Damon

  90. Pete Says:

    @Damon: Your message sounds great, but I noticed a few thorns on the rose stem.

    The word “Socialism” makes me recoil (based on the soviet atrocities), but if you and your friends enter into a communal agreement VOLUNTARILY to share your property (“let us have one purse”), I’m okay with YOU doing that, so long as you do not intend to FORCE me or anyone else to “Share” against our will. “Sharing” against a person’s will is simple theft.

    Also, the phrase “greedy of gain,” would need to be examined and the definition/interpretation refined. All the food and medicine I’ve ever consumed was invented, produced, and transported by people whose sole purpose was to make profit (“greedy of gain?”). Is the millionaire farmer who grows our food “greedy of gain?” Is the truck driver who delivers the food to the grocery store, “greedy of gain?” He is only there to collect a paycheck for his own, selfish uses, but he is providing an essential service, without which 99% of us would starve to death within a year. Neither of us would be communicating right now if it weren’t for profit-hungry (“greedy of gain?”) computer and software designers!

    I love your message of self-sufficiency and taking care of each other without pretending that coercion and theft is needed to achieve this objective.

  91. damon Says:

    That above scripture does not put “socialism” in a good light. Socialism is what many have opted for as far as I can see. It is actually condemning it and says that it is sinners that go that way. It is a system that operates on forced contributions taken from “your” neighbors hands at their expense. The scriptures I posted says that

    “if sinners entice thee, consent thou not…. If they say, Come with us, let us lay wait for blood, let us lurk privily for the innocent without cause We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil: Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:”

    Pro 1:19 So are the ways of every one that is greedy of gain; which taketh away the life of the owners thereof.

    That is what socialism/communism/fascism does and is to varying degrees as I see. We need look no further then to how a nation cares for the elderly and fatherless to see if they fit the above. If they elect authoritarian benefactors to exercise authority over their neighbor to provide for their welfare that nation will not last but falls under judgment from the Most High. Jesus said,

    Luk 22:25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
    Luk 22:26 But ye shall NOT be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

    “But ye (YOU) shall not be so”.

    Greedy of gain…many are. All things in moderation. We should not be so greedy of gain that we are willing to place shackles on our neighbors to make them provide for us through the agency of government. That is what it is talking about in the above.. I heard a wise man once ;

    “We do not need a majority, just a diligent minority who is as interested about their neighbors liberty as they are their own.”

    I cannot take credit for any of this message, it has been around long before me and is from God. It is His message. He sent many telling the same things. We cannot force each other to contribute but must have a heart to do so out of free will.

    This is the “sacrifice” on the “altars of earth”.

    Exo_20:24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

    interestingly enough;

    Gen_2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

    You are the “alter of earth” that is to sacrifice [donation] a “burnt offering” [relinquish control] in the places where He records His name [name = character].

    There is a way but we have to seek his kingdom and His righteousness first.

    2Co_3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

    in His Peace
    Damon

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Mailing address has changed as of 1 October 2016. The new mailing address is: G.M. or Occupant 1496 N. Higley Rd., Suite 102-37 Gilbert, Arizona 85234.






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