NonE's call about self-ownership
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NonE's call about self-ownership
10-29-2011, 09:34 PM (This post was last modified: 10-29-2011 09:36 PM by Dionysus.)
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RE: NonE's call about self-ownership
(10-29-2011 06:24 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  
(10-29-2011 05:00 PM)Dionysus Wrote:  P.S.-- I have not read your STR article (or if I did, I forgot it). Where can I find it?

ETA: Found it:

Do We Own Ourselves?

When you've read it, come back. Although I think I've pretty much said it all there and don't really think there is anything I can add, except if you don't understand something I've said and need me to clarify it for you.

- NonTroubleMaker


Quote:Ownership is a social construct. It is not something one can proclaim. Rather, something like trust, it must be earned. It is something that is granted to you by others. Entreaty, not declaration, is its potting soil.

I can't really argue with that. And actually, I pretty much said the same thing in previous threads, but I did a poor job wording it and you jumped all over me. I realize that if you lived in a communist society where everything belonged to "the people," it could not be said that you outright own anything since it could be confiscated for the "good of the people" as they saw fit, and at best you'd only be allowed to have possessions, but only so long as it was deemed beneficial by the collective. Similarly, if you lived in a society where everyone else was an amoral psychopath who could forcibly take from you whatever they wanted, at best you'd only possess something in between being robbed. But when it comes to self-ownership, I think it's a special case. I could make any number of statements of the form: If self-ownership doesn't exist, then X; but X is not true, so self-ownership must exist. But it's late and I'm tired, so you'll have to wait until later. Wink

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But weak enough not to choose it
He's wise enough to win the world
But fool enough to lose it
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RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Dionysus - 10-29-2011 09:34 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 07:23 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 09:03 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 10:09 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 10:48 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-30-2011, 02:00 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Jonathanr - 10-30-2011, 08:09 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - soveREIGN - 11-01-2011, 04:51 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 11-08-2011, 08:42 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Jonathanr - 11-20-2011, 04:34 AM
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