NonE's call about self-ownership
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NonE's call about self-ownership
10-31-2011, 07:12 PM (This post was last modified: 10-31-2011 07:33 PM by zonsb.)
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RE: NonE's call about self-ownership
(10-31-2011 06:05 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  
(10-31-2011 05:49 PM)zonsb Wrote:  I agree. Rights and ownership are product of reason and come into existence by agreement -- chosen by voluntary support.

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Interesting that you say this, as my impression of you is one of the Ayn Randian, Objectivist sorts who tend (in my experience) to PROCLAIM things, rather that to seek agreement.

With the exception of one additional phrase in what I wrote above (the section of my words you quoted), I've written the same in several posts regarding rights and ownership -- I've done that recently for both rights and ownership and back on the old board too (on the old board it was about rights, not ownership). The additional phrase was superfluous and I only included it because I'm aware of you assuming wrongly. For agreement to be an agreement it must be by voluntary support. An agreement, like a contract, must be entered into voluntarily.

I think I remember your earlier "impression", and I have the thread archived. It was your clouded perception wherein you assumed wrong. Similar to when you "challenged" me not so long ago on the money, power and glory thread in your response to another member. You assumed wrong and had nothing to support your claim.

(10-31-2011 06:05 PM)NonEntity Wrote:  That is the big issue I've had with that First Principles thing you pointed to so much for a while... it was all filled with claims and demands about HOW THINGS ARE and such

You'll need to provide evidence to support that. I don't recall ever writing about first principles here or on the old board. Seems in your mind you have me confused with someone else that wrote about first principle.

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Lawyer-like dishonesty a point: The common thief is honest when he tells you he's robbing you.
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RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 07:23 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 09:03 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 10:09 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-29-2011, 10:48 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 10-30-2011, 02:00 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Jonathanr - 10-30-2011, 08:09 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - zonsb - 10-31-2011 07:12 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - soveREIGN - 11-01-2011, 04:51 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Kel - 11-08-2011, 08:42 PM
RE: NonE's call about self-ownership - Jonathanr - 11-20-2011, 04:34 AM
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