The proof of God
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The proof of God
01-30-2012, 01:37 AM (This post was last modified: 01-31-2012 01:35 AM by Jace: Johanson.)
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RE: The proof of God
Thanks for the nod, NonE. I look forward to seeing your second draft of your lost response, if you decide to re-write it. You're clarification of your own position was appreciated, although I can't say it wasn't almost exactly as I anticipated it when I decided to chime in. This is meant to be a neutral statement of fact, in case anyone's first read implies I'm tooting my own horn. Angel I do take very much pride in exercising an empathic approach to entering a discussion, especially if I'm crazy enough to step between arguing parties. Confused

One thing to point out, though. I was confused here:

Quote:to which Jace claimed that I obviously DID care

Cause I was quite sure I never entered that arena. I think you were referring, instead, to this, which Kel wrote:

Quote:You seem to have demonstrated that you do care to some degree, to have replied in the first place and to lash out so unprovoked.

Didn't want to enter that point, still don't except to bring to your attention what I take as an innocuous run-of-the-mill brain spasm. All-in-all, I appreciate your response, though I'd add only one last micro-critique of still coming off strong (but I get that you probably also know that)
Quote:(My rudeness is another matter.)

Also, Kel, I judge of you that you wouldn't assume I'm taking sides, but I want to avoid leaving it on your shoulders to know I'm not.

WorBlux.... not much to say. You're regularly good and neutral from where I stand. Stay Black, mate. Tounge Big Grin

Zonsb, I considered that perspective at the time. I took it that the topic had already been widened towards all religiosity, just made a point to acknowledge the premises of the quote itself are limited. I completely agree with questioning the ideas claimed to be attributes of God, and I expect you gathered that from the rest.

I know of lot of scriptures that say things akin to "God is all-powerful," yet not actually in those words, and most I know are written in allegorical language that MAY reasonably be taken to mean that, but aren't hard-lining toward that interpretation.. sort of attempting to explain an idea close to omnipotency, while acknowledging the inherent flaw and the lack of something to fill it with.... Noticing that was one thing that spurred my own questioning of what God's nature and motives could actually be, rather than what was claimed to be...

Anyway, I know of lot's of misconstructions of things that are said to be IN the Bible. The line from Aesop's Fables, "God helps those who help themselves," being a rather infamous transposition.



[addressing everyone, now] Really my point was that I'd hope we'd not continue the (pardon the phrase, please) circle-jerk of arguing religion, that's been going on..... forever. We're already committed to one age-old argument. Let's not persist another which causes divides on both sides of the first, and which can be easily set aside according to the standards of, "Are your beliefs based on demanding I share them or be harmed? No? Good, welcome aboard; what's you're name....?" OR "Yes? Then I pity you. Tounge"

Really, if anyone does make a statement that [blank] is the only viewpoint that makes total sense, is it somehow NOT really true that all you DO have to say in response is ask that question? I judged by Alex, here and elsewhere, that he'd say "Yes." Can't actually substitute my supposition for the truth in any way, but I would have expected this to really be the nature of the response given by anyone who finds such a proposition (understandably) as off-putting.

I expect high standards from our veteran and reputable posters, like you, NonE. If you DO remember your standard litmus question, just remember to ask it instead. It would, I think, address that unidentified stress reaction of yours which you hinted at in acknowledging my critique. (I picked a phrase to describe what you said which seemed fair. Mentally insert a more personally appropriate one if you find it askew...)

After all, you can only rationally take someone at their word without being in regular proximate presence of them, as is not the case when it's over the internet. I've (sigh, sadly) seen enough and different high-functioning sociopathy to know that I can only gauge any one of you so much off of only textual interactions. So far you've all generally earned my trust and respect as far as I could digitally throw you, but for all we really know, anyone we've only interacted with online, and many people we even meet, could just be very skilled liars.

Even you, Marc. Big Grin

I thoroughly enjoy myself here sometimes.... Big GrinBig GrinBig GrinBig Grin

No worries. Peace, mates.

One shouldn't believe everything one thinks.
-Jace: Johanson
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The proof of God - arizona_logan - 01-27-2012, 11:09 PM
RE: The proof of God - Jonathanr - 01-28-2012, 04:51 AM
RE: The proof of God - boyntonstu - 01-28-2012, 05:09 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-28-2012, 07:52 AM
RE: The proof of God - WorBlux - 01-28-2012, 10:32 AM
RE: The proof of God - arizona_logan - 01-28-2012, 12:10 PM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-28-2012, 01:11 PM
RE: The proof of God - WorBlux - 01-28-2012, 01:24 PM
RE: The proof of God - arizona_logan - 01-28-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: The proof of God - WorBlux - 01-29-2012, 08:04 PM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 01-28-2012, 03:39 PM
RE: The proof of God - arizona_logan - 01-28-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: The proof of God - Kel - 01-28-2012, 03:54 PM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-28-2012, 04:23 PM
RE: The proof of God - Dionysus - 01-28-2012, 04:49 PM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-28-2012, 05:14 PM
RE: The proof of God - Kel - 01-28-2012, 09:52 PM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-29-2012, 08:35 AM
RE: The proof of God - Kel - 01-29-2012, 11:24 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-29-2012, 01:17 PM
RE: The proof of God - Kel - 01-29-2012, 03:05 PM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-29-2012, 04:59 PM
RE: The proof of God - Marc Stevens - 01-30-2012, 09:09 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-30-2012, 10:17 AM
RE: The proof of God - Jace: Johanson - 01-28-2012, 07:37 PM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 01-28-2012, 10:53 PM
RE: The proof of God - Jace: Johanson - 01-30-2012 01:37 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-30-2012, 06:16 AM
RE: The proof of God - Marc Stevens - 01-30-2012, 09:03 AM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 01-31-2012, 01:17 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-31-2012, 06:36 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-31-2012, 07:38 AM
RE: The proof of God - Jace: Johanson - 01-31-2012, 01:51 AM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 01-31-2012, 02:28 AM
RE: The proof of God - eye2i2hear - 01-31-2012, 11:29 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 01-31-2012, 12:53 PM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 02-01-2012, 04:30 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 02-01-2012, 06:41 AM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 02-04-2012, 04:10 AM
RE: The proof of God - boyntonstu - 02-06-2012, 05:40 AM
RE: The proof of God - eye2i2hear - 02-08-2012, 05:40 AM
RE: The proof of God - NonEntity - 02-08-2012, 07:06 AM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 02-08-2012, 07:32 AM
RE: The proof of God - eye2i2hear - 02-08-2012, 07:35 AM
RE: The proof of God - zonsb - 02-08-2012, 05:48 AM

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