Someone thinks he has proven a state & citizens exist

[Dionysus]

NonEntity Wrote:If you take Marc's analysis of it you are better off. The legal definition of a state is contradicted by itself. No need to get all metaphysical on it.

- NonE

I think you nailed it there. The "state" is self-refuting (so it fails the "fitness test"). A society is only desirable if it’s “civilized.” So, a “state” (which its adherents claim is universally desired) can be said to be a civilized society constructed around the principles of statism. Well, statism is founded upon violence and coercion. I fail to see how that can be described as civilized. Also, the members of a statist society (in theory) act in a civilized manner only because they’re forced to do so. It seems to me truly civilized behavior has to be volitional—you can force someone to act any way you want, but that doesn’t prove anything.

Sorry, “mattam” (or whoever)-- no 5000 bucks (or soup) for you. :bootyshake: :tongue2:

ETA:

I've always liked this:

Alice in Wonderland Wrote:“There is no use trying; one can't believe impossible things." (Alice)

"I dare say you haven't had much practice. When I was your age, I always did it for half an hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.” (Queen)

The statist credo.