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CoS – May 29, 2014 – Ada County Sheriff’s Public Information Officer: Yet Another “Appeal-to-Authority Fallacy” When Questioned on Their [Lack of] Evidence

Posted on May 29th, 2014 by Calvin

Speaking with Andrea of the Ada County Sheriff‘s Public Information Office, we continue to build the case that the actual evidence statist-bureaucrats rely on to prove their constitutions and codes apply remains a vague, abstract concept that they unfortunately can’t ever seem to describe or define with any specifics or facts.

At the 1:06 mark, Andrea confirmed her belief that “while physically in the STATE of Idaho; the constitution and laws do apply,” however, when questioned on “what facts and/or evidence she has to prove those constitutions and laws actually apply,” she immediately reaches for the “I’m not a legal expert” dodge. But you see Andrea, while we’re all not astrophysicists, we all can still identify and openly discuss the laws of gravity and how it applies because the facts, in this case, are truly “obvious” and “given;” terms ironically used by many bureaucrats when proposed with the exact same line of Socratic questioning.

So when referred to the “legal experts,” it was pointed out that the prosecutor’s office will not return correspondence, a commissioner hung-up after a hostile outburst of false accusations, none of the other commissioners would return correspondence, CIC Director Todd Dvorak slammed his phone after yelling “this office will not cooperate with you,” and also hung-up by two other bureaucrats, she wants to put it on these very people to officially confirm evidence of what they refuse to even engage in with rational dialogue? Based on the limited attention given to the inquires, how could one expect these “legal experts” to honestly respond to the questions of evidence they’ve already rejected and dismissed out-of-hand?

Finally, the statist overture climaxes when Marc asks “when considering that there are peaceful people sitting in prison based on the assumption of jurisdiction, does it concern you at all that you are not able to actually prove jurisdiction?” with an all too comfortable soft “no” and that she’s “very comfortable with how the laws are applied here” despite that being brought to her attention; the fact they, the constitution and codes/[jurisdiction], are being applied completely arbitrarily. Accepting arbitrary assumptions from authority figures doesn’t support basic standards of cognitive thought, but it’ll provide you a decent quality of life on taxpayer welfare while so-called “victimless criminals” are torn from their lives every day. Yeeeah, great ethics there folks…. 🙁

It sure must be comfortable to be part of the privileged-class that has never seen the darker side of the coercive system they support.


26 Comments For This Post

  1. Jack Worthington Says:

    Public servants that can’t or refuse to answer a simple question are without honor and most probably criminal. Andrea, the Public Info Officer, would be convicted at Nuremberg in 1945-46 as following orders was insufficient defense, i.e. she is expected to know the difference between right and wrong and she simply abdicates. She is a scoundrel of course; she is a low level criminal. She would have

  2. Wise One Says:

    I clicked on the link for Dvorak. I noticed that his contact information, or anyone else in that office for that matter, does not include an e-mail. I love how these bureaucrats make it so easy to contact them!

  3. NonE Says:

    Wise One Sed:I noticed that his contact information…does not include an e-mail.
    You’ve apparently not been paying attention. The govtards spent an absolute FORTUNE trying to set up an email system. It was such a horrid mess that they gave up. These are the people who some of “us” deem entitled to direct our lives. You certainly wouldn’t want to allow “it all” to be run by people with SELF INTERESTS, would you? No. I didn’t think so.

    – NonE

  4. NonE Says:

    Marc, I’m having a little trouble with this one. On principle I see where you are going and I agree with you, but I must say that this woman was open and honest with you from the beginning to the end and it would appear that the concepts that you were bringing forth were completely foreign to her. And while, yes, she does probably make a comfortable living from this job, so does the janitor. And the janitor is also a cog in the machine, but I’m not sure you’d be as upset with him if he answered you similarly to this lady. Be sure, I do believe that anyone taking government money is guilty of criminal behavior, but perhaps it is not as criminal if you’ve never really taken the time to analyze it. Now if you were to have really pushed this woman and given her time to grasp the totality of the concept of government and it’s relationship to innocent people, if you did that and she came back firmly in the same camp, then I might be more inclined to make a poster child of her.

    I don’t know. I just wanted to share my thinking with you as I see it this present moment.

    – NonExecutioner

  5. Jack Worthington Says:

    Yes, NonE, it is a difficult one. I have friends and family that work for the government and in fact I once worked for a few years for the government. I try not to throw stones at friends and family as they don’t know or are in positions where they cannot depart the government without placing themselves on the charitable rolls. Even over the many years that I worked for private companies, I was on the government dole as those companies had government contracts. Our whole society, our whole lives are destroyed by the insidious government/politician interventions, i.e. we are all stinkin’ naggar slaves to the elitist politicians, their pals and their fawning, sycophantic, obsequious cadre of commie/socialist bootlickers.
    I appreciate all who are trying to educate but at the Great Depression experience taught us: the lesson is learned by perhaps two generations and then it is lost and people must experience the economic catastrophes all over again. Mankind is a depressing lot and we few keep beating our heads against the “rock” of ignorance and laziness and intentional carelessness. Still, we need to pass along these truths so as to help some who will listen so that they can prepare and take their places at the remnants

    You likely are familiar with the following list, but I pass them along as some of my favorite reads:

    No Treason No. 6, The Constitution of No Authority
    Economics in One Lesson by Henry Hazlitt
    The Inflation Crisis and How to Resolve It by Hazlitt
    The Law by Frederic Bastiat
    That Which is Seen and That Which is not Seen (essay on the WWW by Bastiat)

  6. NonE Says:

    Jack Worthington Sed: …or are in positions where they cannot depart the government without placing themselves on the charitable rolls.
    Jack, with all due respect, this one doesn’t hold water. In order to save yourself from having to be humble it is not acceptable to criminally destroy the lives of others. — As to the ignorance issue, I’m not sure where to draw the line on that one. There are those who are innocently ignorant, and those who are willfully ignorant. This is an important distinction, I do believe, to hold up to the light.

    – NonE

  7. Jack Worthington Says:

    So NonE, how do you suggest people living on pensions or SS conduct their lives? Should they say drop out at 75 or 80 with nothing upon which to pay their bills?

  8. NonE Says:

    Jack, does your need justify a claim on my life? – NonE

  9. NonE Says:

    Jack, I’m reminded of a quote that I’ve seen here and there: “A lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.”

    – NonSocialist(ViolentThug)

  10. Jack Worthington Says:

    No! Of course not! What do you say to the SS retires? Do you tell them to cease existence? Do you tell them to starve? I would like to see SS and all gov. welfare phased out but lots of these people are stuck. Is there a plan for these 75-90 year olds?

  11. NonE Says:

    Jack Worthington Sed: Is there a plan for these 75-90 year olds?
    I don’t know. Why don’t you go and find one and ask him or her? Do you have a plan for me if I fail to change the oil in my car?

    – NonE

  12. NonE Says:

    Jack, You know what? I see that you have a feeling of compassion for some people who have thoughtlessly failed to plan for their futures. This is wonderful. I also think it is a fairly common human attribute, to feel concern for those who may be in trouble or hurt in some manner. I applaud you for this. At the same time what I see is that you are wanting to penalize me, and all of those who are not hurting, for not hurting. This is a very bizarre thing, yet quite common as well. “Survivor’s guilt” is one well known manifestation of this phenomena. I must say, to all of those old farts who believe that it is the OBLIGATION of others to support them, and support them quite handsomely in many regards, with free hip replacements and extraordinary medical outlays, and catered food and so on… to all of those people who want ME to suffer so that they may live carefree lives at my expense… PISS ON YOU! You are PARASITES.

    And you, Jack, are as guilty as they when you want ME to suffer and feel guilty for actually taking responsibility for my own choices. PISS ON YOU!

    – NonE

  13. Reggie Says:

    Cantcha just FEEL the love?! 😉

  14. Jack Worthington Says:

    We have created the problem of all these addicts on social welfare. By we I mean everyone since 1935 and the advent of SS, well, excepting the children who have no say but who will be held responsible. I see something to accepting responsibility for the social welfare problem. Just dumping on those addicts after we helped cause the addiction doesn’t seem ethical and that is why I believe weaning people off social welfare via a phase out of SS, Medicare, unemployment insurance is more moral than abandoning them. Yes, people made bad choices because we and our predecessors made bad choices that induced them to make those choices. We bear responsibility, too.

  15. NonE Says:

    (Who said I have anger issues!?) 😉

  16. NonE Says:

    Jack Worthington Sed:
    We have created the problem of…

    So you believe that you have the right to speak for me, to make choices for me, and to force me to do what you think is right? Izzat it? I have no problems with all of your sentiments… except when it gets to the part where people with guns do your bidding to enforce them. Do you not get that?

    – NonE

  17. NonE Says:

    Good one, Reggie! 😉

  18. Jack Worthington Says:

    NonE, get a grip! I didn’t say I would impose my beliefs on you or anyone, I merely said that responsibility was acquired by the acts of all who supported the social welfare system and received so called “benefits.” Most people have been “captured” and there is a choice as you defined it: either welfare beneficiaries of SS, Medicare, and unemployment must cease such and effectively fall on their swords and everyone must cease paying into such welfare systems by ceasing to pay or support the tax system or they are criminals and persist in the system. I’m saying that once we all created the problem, we need to think of ways out and mitigate the pain. Sure, I want less government but “cold turkey” benefits one set of individual at the expense of others, which is the same as what welfare systems do. I agree that the system of looting A to satisfy B is criminal. The question is how the punishment is to be meted. Should only the aged be punished notwithstanding the fact that we are all responsible?

  19. indio007 Says:

    Social welfare is a drop of milk from the gov’t tit compared to the gallons though go to support crony-capitalism .

    Fraud and theft is the business model of the US. It has to be completely unwound and there is no easy way to do it.

    People need to simply opt out and stop playing musical chairs BEFORE the music stops.

  20. NonE Says:

    I DID NOT CREATE THE PROBLEM! (You and the mouse in your pocket need to get that straight.) And why are those who failed to be responsible adults now deemed to be innocent victims?

  21. NonE Says:

    Jack, “Most people have been “captured” and there is a choice as you defined it:” You know, most of the people I see living as parasites could do a LOT of things. They could quit smoking, quit paying for cable TV, quit paying for expensive phone plans, actually eat a healthy diet and eat less and get some exercise. They could choose to work together with others to support each other and live more inexpensively and pool resources in a LOT of ways. Have you ever looked at the people in the line a Wal-Mart using government debit cards??? Look in their CARTS! I am not responsible for such behavior and I’m insulted beyond belief when I am forced to support such. Short of violence I will do whatever I can to avoid contributing to such behavior. Heaven forbid they should have to miss sitting in front of a large screen tv smoking and drinking beer while watching the latest edition of “Cops.”

    Captured my ass.

    – NonE

  22. Jack Worthington Says:

    I mean mentally/psychologically captured. People have been propagandized, brainwashed and indoctrinated with the loot A to satisfy B scheme as a moral foundation, i.e. they have been so deceived that they can’t see the truth. We share more in common than in differences. I just prefer to mitigate the pain of withdrawal from the golden teat, the withdrawal from slopping at the trough. I think all are culpable because they went along with the criminality of the commie/socialist welfare state as presided over by the criminal politicians that the majority of voters approved. I stopped voting in about 1994 as I chose to cease participating in that criminal activity, I saw it as wrong to sanction any politician to use force against family, friends and minions of strangers.

    Yes, I shop Walmart and the obese pushing carts, which in turn are bending beneath the bazillions of calorie loaded feed is deplorable. And then they pull out their EBT Cards. To quote one of the most dastardly duo to ever head this nation (clinton and gore) “I feel your pain.” Well, not literally of course but I empathize.

    In the end, the “French Connection” ala the revolution will be necessary as that is the message from history, i.e. people just can’t avoid catastrophes and even then the lessons only last a generation or two.

  23. Immunity Says:

    “people sitting in prison based on the assumption of jurisdiction” Bingo.

    An unrebutted presumption stands as Truth in Commerce. Marc’s brilliant methods challenges & address the presumption of jurisdiction and kills it.

    There are reportedly 12 secret presumptions that non attorneys labor under in this “court” system. I.e. you are assumed to be guilty, incompetent, accepting of jurisdiction, etc. Of course the constitution doesn’t apply!

    Challenging the applicability and jurisdiction are big winners in the charade but don’t assume that any courts presume you are “innocent” until proven guilty. That is a huge mistake.

  24. RAD Says:
    (d) It shall not be unlawful under this chapter for a person not acting under color of law to intercept a wire, oral, or electronic communication where such person is a party to the communication or where one of the parties to the communication has given prior consent to such interception unless such communication is intercepted for the purpose of committing any criminal or tortious act in violation of the Constitution or laws of the United States or of any State.

  25. Jack Worthington Says:

    NoneE, get this straight. I don’t want you to suffer. So, I encourage you to cease in everyway any contribution to the system of which you complain. Start by ceasing to pay any taxes, income, sales that got to the social welfare state.

    Do you propose that those who are receiving SS “benefits” immediately terminate those “bennies?”

  26. Jack Worthington Says:

    Indio007, have you dropped out? Do you know people who have dropped out?

    I don’t see how the “drop out” plan would work but if there was a national “cease supporting the criminal leviathan, the politicians and their thugs” day, I’m for it. Would everyone go to his employer stop witholding income tax? Would everyone have the sense to refuse to convict if the IRS ever did anything in court? Would everyone rally around anyone the IRS and police or sheriffs came upon to seize their properties?

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