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Chris’ Parking Ticket Dismissal Follow-up Call – “Its not worth my time, so I just dismissed it” – Apr 22, 2013

Posted on May 23rd, 2013 by Calvin

That’s what she said when Chris questioned the prosecutor about why his parking ticket was being tossed out of court.

As a good technique of investigative reporting, as we do here at the No STATE Project, Chris inquired about the specific reasons why they chose to dismiss the ticket.  Here is a collection of some of her whimsical responses within the call:

  • “Basically I got tired of fighting back and forth with you about this…”
  • “…you know, its not really worth my time, so I just dismissed it.”
  • “Because its foolish.”
  • “I left it to my discretion and didn’t bring it to the chief’s attention…”

Despite the ticket being dismissed, Chris continues to question whether they [the prosecution] had any facts that the code applies to him, as that’s one of the main issues addressed in the motion to dismiss and key in how effective damage control works by just sticking to the facts. The prosecutor responds by reading the citation back to him citing the code, which is circular to the question of what facts exist to prove the code applies? Needless to say, it seems that bureaucrats are in desperate need of training on what facts and evidence actually are so they can begin to respond to people asking for production of such facts and evidence responsively.

She interestingly suggested attending a city council meeting to get further clarification on how legal opinion is applicable to anyone. 😕 Passing the buck much?


10 Comments For This Post

  1. LivingHuman Says:

    Well, Chris… Maybe you could go along to a council meeting and put some questions to the local chapter of the ”authority’ gang’ and let them know who prompted your attendance.

    What’s the bet they try to divert you back to the prosecutor or city attorney or some other official clown?

  2. Pete Says:

    Holy crap, Chris, did you fight this in Wisconsin Dells? I live nearby, and I’m fighting a DNR ticket in Sauk County Court right now. I just had my motion hearing and got a truckload of flimsy BS when I asked for facts proving jurisdiction and application of code, just like you.

    If you ever need a media rep or role-playing partner, let me know!

    Great job on the call! You didn’t let her trick you at all and you stayed totally calm and focused.

  3. Dan Says:

    Great Job Chris!

  4. Latimer the Cat Says:

    Chris, I think you need to delineate between asking for facts and asking for the “evidence” of application. Right or wrong, she gave you a summation of “facts” as she understands within her assumptive framework. The question of evidence, which sounds like what you were getting at, would have provoked a different response from her.

    Congrats on getting the ticket voided. BTW, I just got a no driver license ticket tossed-out, but I suspect it was for, similar to yours, like she said in the beginning, that it wasn’t “worth” her time to proceed. If it coasts these bankrupt municipalities more in time and resources to prosecute than the revenue assigned for non-compliance, they’ll usually dismiss.

  5. Andy Says:

    @ 5:35 Chris says: “So all these ordinances are a matter of opinion then?”

    “Pretty much. It’s pretty much common sense I would have to say that they apply to the well being and the good of the city…”

    I would have loved to of heard Chris say:

    Pardon me for interrupting, but I’m looking at the Dunn and Bradstreet webpage and it shows XYZ CITY is a corporation incorporated on 00/00/19xx. So XYZ CITY is a corporation, right? I mean, it’s pretty much common knowledge that XYZ CITY is a corporation, isn’t it? Just a corporation…

  6. Andy Says:

    Continued… Am I and the people that live here assets of XYZ CITY and if so, how did the corporation acquire ownership of me and the people that live here? That seems a lot more like slavery for the well being and the good of the owners of XYZ CITY corporation? Who owns XYZ CITY plantation, err, I mean corporation?

  7. Chris Says:

    @ Pete. Yes, I fought this is Wisconsin Dells. I never stepped foot into any of their buildings. It was all done via 3 letters. I was not so fortunate in fighting a speeding ticket last fall (received it in early July and my wanting to fight it lead me to Marc and the NSP Project). I’d definately like to do more role-playing and media rep work. If you need one for your legal land battle let me know. I’d be happy to do it. How would I get in touch with you? I believe I remember seeing something in the forum about a “pete in wisconsin”? I’m assuming that is you.

    @Andy. Yes, that would have been a good follow-up. Still working on my abilities to think of those types of questions on the fly. It’s a lot harder when you’re in a call dealing with a bureaucrat. Or dealing with them face to face.

    Thanks for the kind words everyone. I’m still relatively new to all of this and learning more all the time.

  8. Pete Says:


    Yes my forum name is/was Pete in Wisconsin. I’ve had tech problems with forum so I only read the forum sometimes and don’t comment anymore. I will e-mail Marc and ask him to forward my e-mail address to you. Yes, I could use a media rep when (if?) my DNR case goes to trial sometime this summer…Thank you for the offer. I’d be happy to be a media rep for you as well.

  9. KeithOB Says:

    Nice work Chris!! The motions to strike are asking for the evidence of jurisdiction.

    Get your paper work sent,in a timely manor. 🙂

  10. edwin Says:

    Have you ever heard of batman on talkshoe @imbatman57?

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